Emma Morris

[Jane]

Exactly so.  Yet some numpties still think Essex Police recreated the kitchen crime scene.

There are 'numpties' who think that, just because some police are corrupt -and I'm not blind to the fact that some are- they can attach such to the Bamber case. Clearly, they've had to ditch the "just for fun" route -because, let's be honest, they had zero reason for it. They had the victims. They had the culprit. They appeared to have a sole remaining, grieving family member who was willing and able to give them chapter and verse on the 'culprit's' background and mental history. Easy, wasn't it? Four murders and a suicide -and if we choose to believe it, a suicide note- why would they choose to muddy the waters by making themselves look like prize idiots?

But let's accept, for a nano second, that they made such a cock up -shooting June! Putting a second bullet into Sheila!!- that cooking up some sort of duplicity was their only way out. The stooge used by Boyce to replicate Nevill, was resting comfortably on his arm, facing away from the oven elements of the AGA, -so I guess it was decided that such was the position in which Nevill had been placed?- whereas Nevill was, allegedly manhandled onto a chair which had been up ended, and turned around to face the oven elements. Wasn't that a lot of bother to go to?...................as a poster said earlier, it really sounds rather silly, doesn't it

[Jane]

Should be easy for you to work out Jane,  what are you finding hard to understand,  can you go back and work on the x and y principle for us?  Rob has explained things a lot better this time for you.

{\displaystyle {\sqrt {1+x}}=\sum _{n=0}^{\infty }{\frac {(-1)^{n}(2n)!}{(1-2n)(n!)^{2}(4^{n})}}x^{n}=1+{\frac {1}{2}}x-{\frac {1}{8}}x^{2}+{\frac {1}{16}}x^{3}-{\frac {5}{128}}x^{4}+\cdots ,}

Oh! HB!! How I wish my late partner was still alive. He could have worked out that simple equation, in seconds, with his eyes closed! I, on the other hand..................

[Jane]

I did not explain it vey well Jane but the angle the camera is pointing at will effect the apparent distance between the three points on the Aga that Boyce thinks may have caused the burns.

For example if the projection of the handle is 1 unit and the vertical distance between them is 1 unit the distance you will measure will the square route of 2 but a photo taken square will show an apparent distance of 1.

I am sure Boyce's dimensions will work if this effect is taken into account?

Hey Rob! I'm not so thick that I can't work out that the camera makes things appear different -I also know how such can be used to advantage!- but can tape measures lie? To the very best of my -limited- ability, I took the same measurements several times to ensure as much accuracy as possible. I also pointed out which components stood proud of others. I'm not claiming more than is possible for others to try out for themselves.

[Jane]

If Jane was confused before, I'm certain she'll be even more flummoxed now.

Certainly am!!!

[Zoso]

Certainly am!!!

It's quite simple, repeat after me "The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the heat of the meat, provided that the maxis of the axis, and the gravity of the cavity, remain constant."

[Jane]

It's quite simple, repeat after me "The angle of the dangle is inversely proportional to the heat of the meat, provided that the maxis of the axis, and the gravity of the cavity, remain constant."

Now, THAT makes sense! Why couldn't he have said that in the first place? !!!!!

[Rob_]

Hey Rob! I'm not so thick that I can't work out that the camera makes things appear different -I also know how such can be used to advantage!- but can tape measures lie? To the very best of my -limited- ability, I took the same measurements several times to ensure as much accuracy as possible. I also pointed out which components stood proud of others. I'm not claiming more than is possible for others to try out for themselves.

Your tape measurement is not a lie Jane and neither is Boyce's it depends on your angle of view.

Unfortunately there is no easy way to explain this, it's a shame that some of you think that Boyce deliberately lied, but I guess some of you are so biased you cannot think straight?

If the projection of the handle is 1 and the displacement is 1 then we would get your dimension of 1.4 and in what I think is the angle Boyce used then we get 1. Obviously using real world numbers would be different.

I cannot make it any easier, it's a shame some of you gleefully slated Boyce before stopping to think first.

   

[Adam]

If at first you don't succeed with the silly "heating the rifle to 200 degrees C. on a AGA hotplate" scenario, try again with an even less likely one of claiming the burns could have been caused by a handle and catch low down on the AGA at a much lower, lukewarm temperature.

Extract re. the Boyce report from the 2012 Judicial Review Judgement.



https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,3777.msg152269.html#msg152269

How do you think Nevill acquired his burns?

Or do you agree with Cambridgecutie that they are not burns?

[Zoso]

Your tape measurement is not a lie Jane and neither is Boyce's it depends on your angle of view.

Unfortunately there is no easy way to explain this, it's a shame that some of you think that Boyce deliberately lied, but I guess some of you are so biased you cannot think straight?

If the projection of the handle is 1 and the displacement is 1 then we would get your dimension of 1.4 and in what I think is the angle Boyce used then we get 1. Obviously using real world numbers would be different.

I cannot make it any easier, it's a shame some of you gleefully slated Boyce before stopping to think first.

 

I don't think he lied. He has no reason to do that but I do think, that he's gotten carried away with something and just hasn't thought it through. People need to realise that there is bias on both sides - the whole theory of the AGA and Nevill laying there for hours, then being moved by the police is ludicrous. I've been here a long time and this is possibly the most ridiculous suggestion yet. That's not bias, that's just common sense.

[Curiosity]

How do you think Nevill acquired his burns?

Or do you agree with Cambridgecutie that they are not burns?

As in previous posts I very much doubt they were caused by AGA handle and catch, and we don't even know if it was lit on full blast or dampened down overnight, unless there are unseen documents which reveal more.

The burns imo are the result of instantaneous heat as one might expect with "branding" using something red/white-hot applied for only seconds, eg. cigar, cigarette, poker, or something else (inserted into the fire thro' the hotplate plug-hole?), rather than prolonged contact with anything at a lower temperature.

Vanezis suggested to CAL they were recent burns which could even occur through a material (NB's pyjama top) without affecting it, although the loose fitting collar could just as easily have been pulled back slightly to reveal the nape and apply heat when his head was resting in the fuel hod. So I'm not swayed by my doppelganger's view they were remnants of a spinal operation during or after WWII.

Contact with hot farm machinery earlier in the day?

I once thought a stray or deflected red-hot brass casing (the 4th missing one?) was a possibility, lost when the body was removed to the mortuary, but the Eley.22 casing size compared with the burns is different, so maybe that's a blind alley too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxQXBueF4Bc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npzUrS-sz-4

I guess we'll never know, unless the culprit reveals all.

[Hardy Boy]

As in previous posts I very much doubt they were caused by AGA handle and catch, and we don't even know if it was lit on full blast or dampened down overnight, unless there are unseen documents which reveal more.

The burns imo are the result of instantaneous heat as one might expect with "branding" using something red/white-hot applied for only seconds, eg. cigar, cigarette, poker, or something else (inserted into the fire thro' the hotplate plug-hole?), rather than prolonged contact with anything at a lower temperature.

Vanezis suggested to CAL they were recent burns which could even occur through a material (NB's pyjama top) without affecting it, although the loose fitting collar could just as easily have been pulled back slightly to reveal the nape and apply heat when his head was resting in the fuel hod. So I'm not swayed by my doppelganger's view they were remnants of a spinal operation during or after WWII.

Contact with hot farm machinery earlier in the day?

I once thought a stray or deflected red-hot brass casing (the 4th missing one?) was a possibility, lost when the body was removed to the mortuary, but the Eley.22 casing size compared with the burns is different, so maybe that's a blind alley too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxQXBueF4Bc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=npzUrS-sz-4

I guess we'll never know, unless the culprit reveals all.

Hi Curiosity,  there was a rip in Neville's PJ's not far from the Marks, i will try to find the statement?

[Hardy Boy]

Hi Curiosity,  there was a rip in Neville's PJ's not far from the Marks, i will try to find the statement?

The rip in the back of the PJ's was about 2 inch from the Marks and it was suggested if they were pulled awry it was a possibility if they were pulled to the side slightly?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7638.0;attach=44913;image

[Curiosity]

The rip in the back of the PJ's was about 2 inch from the Marks and it was suggested if they were pulled awry it was a possibility if they were pulled to the side slightly?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=7638.0;attach=44913;image

OK, Thanks. I wonder if Dr.V still chews the conundrum over at night instead of counting sheep.

[Hardy Boy]

OK, Thanks. I wonder if Dr.V still chews the conundrum over at night instead of counting sheep.

Ha Ha, the last i heard he was with Jane trying to work the Sum out ............If the projection of the handle is 1 and the displacement is 1 then we would get your dimension of 1.4 and in what I think is the angle Boyce used then we get 1

[David1819]

How do you think Nevill acquired his burns?

Or do you agree with Cambridgecutie that they are not burns?

Wouldn't surprise me if Curiosity is also CC. Signed up here 7 month ago but only started posting a few weeks ago around the time CC was exposed as KillingEve.