drh48 blood stained calendar

[Bubo bubo]

I thought it would be worthwhile to revisit this aspect of the case in view of the fact that Ainsley claimed to have sent all items to be tested when questioned on his actions when he was put in charge of the case.

To test or not to test that is the question?

Taff Jones was only interested in testing samples to confirm his diagnosis of ‘A Domestic’. It is therefore not surprising that he sent very little by way of samples to the lab. When the case changed to 5 murders they had a problem.

They had to be sure that any testing did not produce a result which would uncover their deception. Therefore it is possible that any item for which the origin of the blood was debateable or provided evidence that disproved their narrative was not sent for testing.

The bible is a classic example. It could have been spotted with blood from June (most likely), Sheila by contamination but also Neville if June had taken it downstairs to say prayers for him or she transferred his blood to it having touched him

I would also draw attention to DRH 45 & DRH 48

In his statements DRH lists items he collected on 9th August. I will not list them all.

DRH43      .22 Bullet case missed on previous search

DRH44       Paperback Bible

DRH45      Blood stained under sheet from bed in main bedroom

DRH46      Piece of blood stained wall paper.

DRH47      Blood scraping from stained carpet outside main bedroom

DRH48      Blood stained calendar from floor in kitchen near coal scuttle.

DRH49      Blood scraping from carpet on landing outside SC’s bedroom

If you examine John Haywards Specimen Testing list you will see that the items in red are conspicuous by their absence

It also appears that despite the huge amounts of blood in the kitchen none was tested. Of course by starting a new case file they could easily exclude much information which would have undermined their case. It is possible that Taff sent these to the lab in the first instance and all the documentation including results are in the original case file. Were there other items collected by another SOCO that were only used in the original case? They made a huge mistake with DB2 Fire debris.

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[Jane]

Re the "huge amounts of blood in the kitchen" and the "blood stained calendar from floor in kitchen near coal scuttle", who, of the 5 victims, bled so "hugely" that when his head was placed in the coal scuttle, it spilled over the sides and onto the floor? We know the answer to that, and so, I'm inclined to think, did police who had been 'encouraged' to believe it was just a domestic.

[Bubo bubo]

Re the "huge amounts of blood in the kitchen" and the "blood stained calendar from floor in kitchen near coal scuttle", who, of the 5 victims, bled so "hugely" that when his head was placed in the coal scuttle, it spilled over the sides and onto the floor? We know the answer to that, and so, I'm inclined to think, did police who had been 'encouraged' to believe it was just a domestic.

Then why send drh47 and drh49. The blood could have been from handling by any of the adult victims. Why are there no blood samples from the kitchen?

[Jane]

Then why send drh47 and drh49. The blood could have been from handling by any of the adult victims. Why are there no blood samples from the kitchen?

One body. Copious amount of blood? Why would they test it? They didn't 'know' there were other bodies until they went upstairs.

[Bubo bubo]

One body. Copious amount of blood? Why would they test it? They didn't 'know' there were other bodies until they went upstairs.

Oh dear. Are you suggesting that items were collected by the TFG. They knew there were bodies upstairs. The SOCO team collected the samples. Tut Tut. Why test the blood on the wallpaper.

[Jane]

Oh dear. Are you suggesting that items were collected by the TFG. They knew there were bodies upstairs. The SOCO team collected the samples. Tut Tut. Why test the blood on the wallpaper.

Why do you suggest that I'm suggesting any particular 'team' did anything? I can perfectly well see that blood on wallpaper would be tested as -disregarding the twins- there were two dead females upstairs. It might have belonged to either.

[Bubo bubo]

Why do you suggest that I'm suggesting any particular 'team' did anything? I can perfectly well see that blood on wallpaper would be tested as -disregarding the twins- there were two dead females upstairs. It might have belonged to either.

It could also belong to NB. The purpose of testing is to try to figure out how things may have unfolded. According to you some blood is more important than others. All physical exhibits that have blood stains should be tested otherwise you may get a false impression. If they really did believe it was a domestic they could not do any tests for blood according to you. The correct approach should have been to test all. There was always a chance however remote that it seemed at that point to be a domestic, that some of the blood could have belonged to an injured third party.

[Jane]

It could also belong to NB. The purpose of testing is to try to figure out how things may have unfolded. According to you some blood is more important than others. All physical exhibits that have blood stains should be tested otherwise you may get a false impression. If they really did believe it was a domestic they could not do any tests for blood according to you. The correct approach should have been to test all. There was always a chance however remote that it seemed at that point to be a domestic, that some of the blood could have belonged to an injured third party.

I'm not certain that it wasn't Nevill's blood. If he'd been shot upstairs, he may well have lurched against the wall. Much of what you say here is true, and undoubtedly, today, in 2024, things would have been done differently. We know the investigation was a cock up from start to finish, but, basically, it comes back to JB, who gave them information slanted against Sheila.

[Bubo bubo]

I'm not certain that it wasn't Nevill's blood. If he'd been shot upstairs, he may well have lurched against the wall. Much of what you say here is true, and undoubtedly, today, in 2024, things would have been done differently. We know the investigation was a cock up from start to finish, but, basically, it comes back to JB, who gave them information slanted against Sheila.

Drh48 the bible and the bedding are all conspicuous by their absence on the Specimen testing list. What marks these items out from those that were tested. I Hypothesise that this was because they were unsure whose blood was on these items and if they did not fit the plan to frame JB they would destroy their case. The defence would see these results as part of the discovery process.

[Steve_uk]

Drh48 the bible and the bedding are all conspicuous by their absence on the Specimen testing list. What marks these items out from those that were tested. I Hypothesise that this was because they were unsure whose blood was on these items and if they did not fit the plan to frame JB they would destroy their case. The defence would see these results as part of the discovery process.

I thought the bedding was burned shortly afterwards, so I don't see how a decision was deliberately made to hamper the investigation.

[Adam]

'but also Neville if June had taken it (bible) downstairs to say prayers for him'.

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What was Sheila doing during this time, re loading?

[Bubo bubo]

I thought the bedding was burned shortly afterwards, so I don't see how a decision was deliberately made to hamper the investigation.

A lot was but some which had exhibit numbers were not. The bed sheet was kept and I believe a pillow case. The items to which I refer were not tested even though they were taken in the first instance. Why take mountains of exhibits including some from JB's home but not send for test just a few? They must have been considered of some importance to be taken in the first place.

[Bubo bubo]

I'm not certain that it wasn't Nevill's blood. If he'd been shot upstairs, he may well have lurched against the wall. Much of what you say here is true, and undoubtedly, today, in 2024, things would have been done differently. We know the investigation was a cock up from start to finish, but, basically, it comes back to JB, who gave them information slanted against Sheila.

If I had a £1 for every time a guilt supporter parroted this old chestnut I could treat myself to a slap up meal.

[Jane]

If I had a £1 for every time a guilt supporter parroted this old chestnut I could treat myself to a slap up meal.

Are you denying the truth of it?

[Bubo bubo]

Are you denying the truth of it?

No. It was not considered a cockup until RB spoke with PS. It was not a cockup when they gave evidence to the coroner. A full four weeks elapsed. I hope you are not so trusting
in your own dealings in life. You are a good target for scammers.