Re: Julie Mugford Trial examination/cross examination

[ILB]

There is no evidence he is innocent.

What would you do if he gets out?

Start a " recharge Bamber campaign"

[ILB]

As I've always said no win for Jeremy at this stage of his life anyway even with an acquittal.

63 today, no pension, no home, wonder if he could remember to even drive a car.

Probably wouldnt even get compo. Sion Jenkins and Barry George didn't

[ILB]

This will go on forever and even if Bamber pops his clogs In jail someone will carry it on for him posthmously. It will never go away

[snow66!]

Oh! Right! You're saying a 21 year old girl is entirely responsible for JB's conviction?

No,not at all Jane.The police! I just think they got it wrong.

[Jane]

No,not at all Jane.The police! I just think they got it wrong.

Does that mean you're saying you believe the police set out to convict JB knowing full well they believed him innocent?

[snow66!]

Does that mean you're saying you believe the police set out to convict JB knowing full well they believed him innocent?

No,they wrongly believed him to be guilty Jane.I believe it was a series of unfortunate events that nailer Bamber,and the trouble is there is very little evidence to prove things one way or another.
Someone once said after looking at all the evidence that they might as well flip a coin to decide.

[Adam]

No,they wrongly believed him to be guilty Jane.I believe it was a series of unfortunate events that nailer Bamber,and the trouble is there is very little evidence to prove things one way or another.
Someone once said after looking at all the evidence that they might as well flip a coin to decide.

The police processed the evidence supplied by the experts.
Then submitted there case to the CPS.


The CPS quickly said there was enough to proceed to prosecution as there is a mountain of evidence.

[Steve_uk]

If you read my posts Steve you will notice I dont blame Julie.I agree with Bubo that she had no choice but to cooperate with the police to save her skin.She probably had to sign a document never to talk about the case to the media or be jailed straight away.That is probably why she emigrated and hasn't been heard of since,due to a gagging order.

But she wasn't the one who telephoned police. As for the gagging order, her last interview for the Press was in She magazine in 1986.

[Steve_uk]

You also can expect people to draw inferences as they see fit. You are quick to condemn Bamber for every discrepancy in his behaviour, then people are perfectly fine to condemn and disbelieve Julie.

Julie never " broke away " from anything, Bamber didn't have her under lock and key and as you point out,  he had seemingly lost interest preferring the company of Brett and friends. She was under no pressure from Bamber. She herself states this. In all witness statements Julie never mentions any type of control freak behaviour from Bamber.

She does. He twisted her arm behind her back, pushed her onto the bed and raised his arm as if to strike her.

[Steve_uk]

Yes I mean phoning up another women for sexual purposes and arranging a date  in the presence of your long term girlfriend who you have confessed to murdering your family to is really " playing it safe"


He might as well have dropped her off in his own car outside the police station by that logic

He thought he had done enough to rope her in as an accessory.

[Steve_uk]

Ah,you mean some people claim Julie lied for the money Jane? Yes,I agree that is laughable.
Besides,I believe the police were mainly responsible for Julie's statements and trial evidence.
What I believe is that Julie, and Sue for that matter,said what the police wanted them to say in order to save their own skin.

They were interviewed separately and their statements tallied.

[Steve_uk]

As I've always said no win for Jeremy at this stage of his life anyway even with an acquittal.

63 today, no pension, no home, wonder if he could remember to even drive a car.

Probably wouldnt even get compo. Sion Jenkins and Barry George didn't

My heart bleeds. A miscarriage of justice would surely lead to compensation, not that there was a miscarriage of justice.

[Adam]

He thought he had done enough to rope her in as an accessory.

He also thought there was no evidence against him.

[Adam]

In the 20 days before Julie left Bamber, he certainly or would have told her -

MM committed the massacre.

MM would also deny any involvement.

He was 'watertight'.

It was an 'open and shut case'.

She would never be believed.

She would be charged as an accessory.

There was no evidence against him. Items had been destroyed.

She had already submitted a WS.

It has been several days/weeks & the police are still treating it as murder/suicide.

He was justified in doing this. For reasons he had explained previously.

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All this would have been said in an attitude Julie described as 'terribly confident'.

This gave him the confident to goad Julie after she left him.

[Hardy Boy]

But she wasn't the one who telephoned police. As for the gagging order, her last interview for the Press was in She magazine in 1986.

I think she’s turned down several since Steve and TV interviews?