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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #420 on: June 22, 2025, 05:12:PM »
Gringo may have other views but it sounds like they will take their time to assess the damage and then make a measured response.
     https://t.me/intelslava/76837

New high-resolution imagery, captured on June 21, 2025, suggests Iran was preparing the Fordow nuclear facility for a strike. The facility's entrance tunnels were observed being filled with earth by trucks and diggers.

      The biggest damage is to Empire credibility and their lies.

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« Reply #421 on: June 22, 2025, 05:28:PM »
The largest B2 bomber operation in history.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjgMXRDR-xs

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« Reply #422 on: June 22, 2025, 07:45:PM »
    Hope he stays safe, HB
Thanks Gringo,  worrying times at the moment.

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« Reply #423 on: June 22, 2025, 07:58:PM »
I can’t help but think Putin was aware of some sort, I don’t think Trump would have took such a risk without talking to Putin?  That’s why most talk between Russia and USA over Ukraine has been between the two Countries.  Iran would and was brought up, maybe some sort of compromise was reached,  you keep your land grab in Ukraine and we will deal with Iran’s Nuclear project?  Bullies don’t like to confront bullies, they don’t like being hurt

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« Reply #424 on: June 22, 2025, 08:42:PM »
I can’t help but think Putin was aware of some sort, I don’t think Trump would have took such a risk without talking to Putin?  That’s why most talk between Russia and USA over Ukraine has been between the two Countries.  Iran would and was brought up, maybe some sort of compromise was reached,  you keep your land grab in Ukraine and we will deal with Iran’s Nuclear project?  Bullies don’t like to confront bullies, they don’t like being hurt

You could be right about that HB.  Russia has condemned the attack but there are no signs that it will assist Iran.  Trump has gone quiet about Ukraine.  My guess is that Zelensky is very worried.


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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #425 on: June 22, 2025, 09:18:PM »
Thanks Gringo,  worrying times at the moment.

🤞Hope he remains safe HB

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« Reply #426 on: June 22, 2025, 10:14:PM »
You could be right about that HB.  Russia has condemned the attack but there are no signs that it will assist Iran.  Trump has gone quiet about Ukraine.  My guess is that Zelensky is very worried.
I think Putin is smarter than Trump NGB,  he’s been around a long while now.  I don’t think Zelensky will get much help from Trump from now on,  he’s not bothered about Ukraine, and like you say, he will be worried.

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« Reply #427 on: June 22, 2025, 10:22:PM »
🤞Hope he remains safe HB
Thanks Roch, he does six weeks on and six weeks off, every time he’s out there something happens 🙈

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« Reply #428 on: June 23, 2025, 07:35:AM »
I think Putin is smarter than Trump NGB,  he’s been around a long while now.  I don’t think Zelensky will get much help from Trump from now on,  he’s not bothered about Ukraine, and like you say, he will be worried.
EXCLUSIVETrump prepares to jet to NATO as poll reveals Americans think White House backs Russia over Ukraine

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14833187/donald-trump-nato-summit-russia-ukraine.html



Trump said last Saturday that Putin called him on his birthday - but their discussion mainly focused on the war between Israel and Iran, rather than Russia's own conflict.

'Much less time was spent talking about Russia/Ukraine, but that will be for next week,' the president said in a Truth Social post.
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« Reply #429 on: June 23, 2025, 09:32:AM »
Thanks Roch, he does six weeks on and six weeks off, every time he’s out there something happens 🙈

I think Gringo will be right HB. 

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« Reply #430 on: June 23, 2025, 09:57:AM »
Interesting article in The Cradle. The publication is biased against Israel 'the West' so should be read with that in mind.

https://thecradle.co/articles/perception-vs-reality-what-the-israel-iran-war-actually-reveals

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« Reply #431 on: June 23, 2025, 10:35:AM »
I think Putin is smarter than Trump NGB,  he’s been around a long while now.  I don’t think Zelensky will get much help from Trump from now on,  he’s not bothered about Ukraine, and like you say, he will be worried.

I agree that Putin is a lot smarter than Trump and is also far more experienced.  The confusing factor is that Russia has good relations with Israel.  It is significant that Israel has not joined in any sanctions against Russia and has been generally quiet in relation to Ukraine.  Putin does speak to Netanyahu.  The ideology of Putin is far from that of the USSR and he is essentially a very pragmatic Russian nationalist.  For that reason I doubt if Russia's support for Iran will go much further than words.
   

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« Reply #432 on: June 23, 2025, 02:38:PM »
I can’t help but think Putin was aware of some sort, I don’t think Trump would have took such a risk without talking to Putin?  That’s why most talk between Russia and USA over Ukraine has been between the two Countries.  Iran would and was brought up, maybe some sort of compromise was reached,  you keep your land grab in Ukraine and we will deal with Iran’s Nuclear project?  Bullies don’t like to confront bullies, they don’t like being hurt
   Putin was almost certainly aware, HB. He had warned that 100's of Russians were working at Bushehr Reactor plus a couple of other sites where Russia are building reactors with the Iranians. He stated that they are going nowhere and that striking them would have consequences.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1936172696553111877

     He didn't randomly state this for no reason, obviously, and it seems a reasonable inference that he was informed. We can also reasonably infer that the Iranians also knew because of the evacuation and preparation of the site before the strikes. Roch earlier in the thread raised the notion, floated by some, that Trump is secretly working against Netanyahu. I think Alex Krainer articulated it well, can't remember where but will attempt to find it later. Whatever the truth there are a lot of unanswered questions.
     In terms of the deal you mention, HB, a kind of trade off giving Trump and Putin a free hand in Iran and Ukraine respectively. I doubt this for a number of reasons though concede that nothing can be ruled out. It is however difficult to square that particular circle. The first point is that Russia/Putin need no-one's acquiescence to deal with Ukraine. No amount of US assistance can help Ukraine but Ukraine are constantly begging for assistance because without it they collapse rapidly. Also Ukraine are not a sovereign government and Zelensky and co are simply puppets of outside interests.
     Iran on the other hand are not requesting military assistance and their government is not a proxy of Russia and is clearly sovereign and capable of defending themselves. Russia have made clear their position and are solidly on the side of Iran. Russia also have their own current large front against Empire and don't need distracting from that.
     China also are heavily reliant on Iran as their 25 year 400 billion dollar strategic partnership demonstrates. They have two intelligence gathering ships currently in the Persian Gulf. The verified facts that can be agreed upon by all seem to point more towards the Roch/Krainer view that Netanyahu is being thrown under the bus. The non event "bombing" of Fordow, warned of and prepared for beforehand, lends credence to this view. Iran could easily have shot down the subsonic B2 bombers supposedly carrying massive bunker busters which negates any alleged stealth. They were warned in advance but chose not to even try? Why?  Since the "bombing" of Fordow, Iran have increased the tempo of attacks on the occupiers again.
      Trump's declaration of having destroyed Iran nuclear capability tends towards this theory also. He has basically said that US have done their bit and are now out unless Iran strikes US. Declaring victory and walking away, as it were. I agree, HB that there are clearly some moves that are, "hidden from view", and that some back-channel negotiations and manoeuvres have taken place. It appears that from what available facts there are, that Iran were party to those shenanigans and Israel are the heel.
     

     

     
 
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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #433 on: June 23, 2025, 04:34:PM »
   Putin was almost certainly aware, HB. He had warned that 100's of Russians were working at Bushehr Reactor plus a couple of other sites where Russia are building reactors with the Iranians. He stated that they are going nowhere and that striking them would have consequences.

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1936172696553111877

     He didn't randomly state this for no reason, obviously, and it seems a reasonable inference that he was informed. We can also reasonably infer that the Iranians also knew because of the evacuation and preparation of the site before the strikes. Roch earlier in the thread raised the notion, floated by some, that Trump is secretly working against Netanyahu. I think Alex Krainer articulated it well, can't remember where but will attempt to find it later. Whatever the truth there are a lot of unanswered questions.
     In terms of the deal you mention, HB, a kind of trade off giving Trump and Putin a free hand in Iran and Ukraine respectively. I doubt this for a number of reasons though concede that nothing can be ruled out. It is however difficult to square that particular circle. The first point is that Russia/Putin need nobodies acquiescence to deal with Ukraine. No amount of US assistance can help Ukraine but Ukraine are constantly begging for assistance because without it they collapse rapidly. Also Ukraine are not a sovereign government and Zelensky and co are simply puppets of outside interests.
     Iran on the other hand are not requesting military assistance and their government is not a proxy of Russia and is clearly sovereign and capable of defending themselves. Russia have made clear their position and are solidly on the side of Iran. Russia also have their own current large front against Empire and don't need distracting from that.
     China also are heavily reliant on Iran as their 25 year 400 billion dollar strategic partnership demonstrates. They have two intelligence gathering ships currently in the Persian Gulf. The verified facts that can be agreed upon by all seem to point more towards the Roch/Krainer view that Netanyahu is being thrown under the bus. The non event "bombing" of Fordow, warned of and prepared for beforehand, lends credence to this view. Iran could easily have shot down the subsonic B2 bombers supposedly carrying massive bunker busters which negates any alleged stealth. They were warned in advance but chose not to even try? Why?  Since the "bombing" of Fordow, Iran have increased the tempo of attacks on the occupiers again.
      Trump's declaration of having destroyed Iran nuclear capability tends towards this theory also. He has basically said that US have done their bit and are now out unless Iran strikes US. Declaring victory and walking away, as it were. I agree, HB that there are clearly some moves that are, "hidden from view", and that some back-channel negotiations and manoeuvres have taken place. It appears that from what available facts there are, that Iran were party to those shenanigans and Israel are the heel.
     

     

     

I was amazed that the Americans made a big deal out of the secrecy that was used in the planning. That was not required and could have been answered if and when questioned. All the talk about decoys etc. Why give this more focus than was necessary? Was it to show how clever they are?

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #434 on: June 23, 2025, 05:16:PM »
I was amazed that the Americans made a big deal out of the secrecy that was used in the planning. That was not required and could have been answered if and when questioned. All the talk about decoys etc. Why give this more focus than was necessary? Was it to show how clever they are?
Its Trump all over Bubo, he likes to Gloat about things.