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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #405 on: June 21, 2025, 03:39:PM »
    Cannot recommend the Roger Boyd article below enough. A long but excellent read that covers coherently the potted history of how we got where we are now and an objective analysis of likely consequences.


https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/why-iran-the-context-and-the-consequences

   
  "Fundamentally, the US and its Western vassals are faced with a defeat or a defeat; a conundrum. Made worse by the very real possible issue of a financial collapse given the probable closure of the Straits of Hormuz and the prospect of yet more massive debt-fuelled US government war spending. Will the losing struggle of the West to maintain its dominance take on an even greater military aggression, to add to the Ukraine proxy war and the Zionist genocide? Or will it maintain its somewhat peaceful progress? For Israel there is an existential threat as a continued campaign without direct Western intervention is simply not tenable, especially given the Iranian intelligent slow-bleed strategy, while an ending of its attacks upon Iran may very well bring the fall of the government and a more intense stage of internal conflict. Its only positive option is US and Western direct intervention, and that is why the US Zionist donor network is being utilized to the hilt as the foreign interference operation (along with AIPAC etc.) that it is."

     "With the “shock and awe” attempt and utter failure, and Iran now slowly bleeding out Israel, Netanyahu’s only option is to embroil the West fully in the conflict. Something that the West did not want, instead wanting to have its “deniability” fig leaf while fully taking part in the subjugation of a destabilized Iran a la Libya and Syria under the cover of “humanitarian intervention” and the puppet Pahlavi regime kept in reserve in the West. So now it must either retreat and order Israel to stop its attacks, which may very well require the taking out of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders and cause consternation among the US Zionist donor class, or roll up its sleeves and descend into another Middle Eastern quagmire which will sap its strength. It is the latter prospect that is currently holding back the Trump administration from directly attacking Iran, together with up to date - most probably much more accurate and less sanguine than the misleading and self-serving Israeli intelligence - US intelligence reports on Iran’s capabilities and regime stability."


   
   

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« Reply #406 on: June 21, 2025, 04:46:PM »
    Cannot recommend the Roger Boyd article below enough. A long but excellent read that covers coherently the potted history of how we got where we are now and an objective analysis of likely consequences.


https://rogerboyd.substack.com/p/why-iran-the-context-and-the-consequences

   
  "Fundamentally, the US and its Western vassals are faced with a defeat or a defeat; a conundrum. Made worse by the very real possible issue of a financial collapse given the probable closure of the Straits of Hormuz and the prospect of yet more massive debt-fuelled US government war spending. Will the losing struggle of the West to maintain its dominance take on an even greater military aggression, to add to the Ukraine proxy war and the Zionist genocide? Or will it maintain its somewhat peaceful progress? For Israel there is an existential threat as a continued campaign without direct Western intervention is simply not tenable, especially given the Iranian intelligent slow-bleed strategy, while an ending of its attacks upon Iran may very well bring the fall of the government and a more intense stage of internal conflict. Its only positive option is US and Western direct intervention, and that is why the US Zionist donor network is being utilized to the hilt as the foreign interference operation (along with AIPAC etc.) that it is."

     "With the “shock and awe” attempt and utter failure, and Iran now slowly bleeding out Israel, Netanyahu’s only option is to embroil the West fully in the conflict. Something that the West did not want, instead wanting to have its “deniability” fig leaf while fully taking part in the subjugation of a destabilized Iran a la Libya and Syria under the cover of “humanitarian intervention” and the puppet Pahlavi regime kept in reserve in the West. So now it must either retreat and order Israel to stop its attacks, which may very well require the taking out of Netanyahu and other Israeli leaders and cause consternation among the US Zionist donor class, or roll up its sleeves and descend into another Middle Eastern quagmire which will sap its strength. It is the latter prospect that is currently holding back the Trump administration from directly attacking Iran, together with up to date - most probably much more accurate and less sanguine than the misleading and self-serving Israeli intelligence - US intelligence reports on Iran’s capabilities and regime stability."


   
   
Moses was a descendant of Abraham. I don't see how the Islamic religion is legitimized in any way by the article, neither does he acknowledge that the Jewish religion predates Islam by millennia.

So Putin is going to stand for re-election in 2030. What a surprise! Does anybody except myself recognize Russia is a police state, which has had no free and fair elections since 2000?  https://united24media.com/anti-fake/when-was-the-last-time-russia-even-had-a-fair-election-6069

As for Iran, it used the money it received from the deal to sponsor international terrorism: Hamas, Hezbollah, the Houthis. The country is a menace and is reaping now what it sowed: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-68031732

Reports of division in Israel are exaggerated: https://www.israelnationalnews.com/news/410132

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #407 on: June 22, 2025, 01:35:AM »
Trump announcement..


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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #408 on: June 22, 2025, 03:56:AM »
Trump announcement..
    Here is his speech

https://x.com/SarahisCensored/status/1936607354784735584

      Iran won't be bullied into submission. If US bases are not targeted directly, then I would expect the attacks on Occupied Palestine to increase. Probably both. Occupied Palestine must really be taking a battering for the US to take such risky escalations. 

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #409 on: June 22, 2025, 09:11:AM »
Why were Trump's sons by his side during his address to the nation?  Afaik they have no legitimacy!? 
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« Reply #410 on: June 22, 2025, 10:29:AM »
Why were Trump's sons by his side during his address to the nation?  Afaik they have no legitimacy!?
They are not his sons. They are the vice president. The foreign secretary and defence secretary. I have used GB titles for these ministers

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #411 on: June 22, 2025, 02:07:PM »
. US are powerless to intervene. The development of accurate and un-interceptable hypersonic missiles has made their isolated bases all over the Middle East indefensible.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #412 on: June 22, 2025, 02:12:PM »
     As the dust settles, it seems a self defeating move by Empire. They achieved the square root of nothing and are now in a weaker position.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #413 on: June 22, 2025, 02:13:PM »
     As the dust settles, it seems a self defeating move by Empire. They achieved the square root of nothing and are now in a weaker position.

How do think this will develop now?

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #414 on: June 22, 2025, 02:17:PM »
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     Tell me the next move, David. Do you believe the US bases are defendable? What do you think US achieved last night and do you think they are in a stronger or weaker position today? Everything I have said stands. Watch it unfold. You are watching desperation and mistaking it for strategy

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« Reply #415 on: June 22, 2025, 02:38:PM »
How do think this will develop now?

Gringo may have other views but it sounds like they will take their time to assess the damage and then make a measured response.

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« Reply #416 on: June 22, 2025, 03:13:PM »
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Maybe they have massively bolstered air defence at their bases. But I thought the Israeli air defences where supposed to be the best in the world? 

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« Reply #417 on: June 22, 2025, 04:10:PM »
How do think this will develop now?
     I expect that Iran/Russia/China will continue their self evidently successful strategy of death by a thousand cuts. I wouldn't be surprised if one outcome is the development of nuclear weapons by Iran. This would be the ultimate irony. Iran have never been developing nuclear weapons and had they been doing so they would have achieved this goal long ago. The "fatwa" by Ayatollah Khamenei actually means something and all evidence points to this fact. The US attack supposedly to prevent the development of nuclear weapons which they weren't doing, is more likely to provoke the development of nuclear weapons. This obvious fact tells us that the real reason for the attack was attempted regime change. The Iranian public, funnily enough, rather than turning on their own government have unified behind it.
     Rather than developing nuclear warheads however, I suspect the Iranians will increase the pressure on Israel and push for a nuclear free Middle East. The best solution, and the one that all desire, is for the Zionists secretive program to be finally opened to international oversight and neutralised. Empire is dead already, ngb, and we are in the interregnum between the old regime dying(Empire) and the the new regime being born(multi-polarity).
     Iran are at this point perfectly entitled to attack US bases but I don't think they will. It is worth remembering that Iran/Persia gave the world Chess. They are a well educated society and master strategists. It is how you survive as a continuous civilisation for thousands of years. Whatever response Empire thinks they have provoked from Iran and gamed for, is unlikely to happen. As a good chess player you understand this, ngb. So Empire would seem to be inviting an attack on US bases to give a fig leaf, "Casus Beli", to go to war and save Empire in the Middle East where their "unsinkable Aircraft Carrier" is listing badly. Why would Iran be distracted from their main goal which is working so well? Their strategy is working perfectly.
     My own view, for what it's worth, is that along with the thousand cuts strategy, Empire has to suffer an unambiguous defeat somewhere but one that falls short of inviting a blistering response where any victory would the definition of "Pyrrhic". The time, place and circumstances of that defeat need to be carefully calibrated in order to achieve the desired outcome. Destroying the bases of a nuclear superpower whilst justified is probably not the best next move. The psychological pressure on US service personnel must now be immense, anyway, so perhaps better to leave that on a slow boil. The mental pressure of waiting for a response is a weapon itself, not only on the personnel but the citizenry of the nations of Empire. The populace in all the aggressor nations are getting increasingly restless as it becomes ever more self evident to those populaces that our countries are the aggressors. 
      Ultimately all that Iran and other enemies of Empire need to do is carry on the current slow bleed strategy and not be provoked into anything rash. They are winning, Empire is losing. Iran will continue the bringing of the Zionists to heel, Russia will carry on crushing Empire's proxy Nazis in Ukraine. 
     

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #418 on: June 22, 2025, 05:01:PM »
     I expect that Iran/Russia/China will continue their self evidently successful strategy of death by a thousand cuts. I wouldn't be surprised if one outcome is the development of nuclear weapons by Iran. This would be the ultimate irony. Iran have never been developing nuclear weapons and had they been doing so they would have achieved this goal long ago. The "fatwa" by Ayatollah Khamenei actually means something and all evidence points to this fact. The US attack supposedly to prevent the development of nuclear weapons which they weren't doing, is more likely to provoke the development of nuclear weapons. This obvious fact tells us that the real reason for the attack was attempted regime change. The Iranian public, funnily enough, rather than turning on their own government have unified behind it.
     Rather than developing nuclear warheads however, I suspect the Iranians will increase the pressure on Israel and push for a nuclear free Middle East. The best solution, and the one that all desire, is for the Zionists secretive program to be finally opened to international oversight and neutralised. Empire is dead already, ngb, and we are in the interregnum between the old regime dying(Empire) and the the new regime being born(multi-polarity).
     Iran are at this point perfectly entitled to attack US bases but I don't think they will. It is worth remembering that Iran/Persia gave the world Chess. They are a well educated society and master strategists. It is how you survive as a continuous civilisation for thousands of years. Whatever response Empire thinks they have provoked from Iran and gamed for, is unlikely to happen. As a good chess player you understand this, ngb. So Empire would seem to be inviting an attack on US bases to give a fig leaf, "Casus Beli", to go to war and save Empire in the Middle East where their "unsinkable Aircraft Carrier" is listing badly. Why would Iran be distracted from their main goal which is working so well? Their strategy is working perfectly.
     My own view, for what it's worth, is that along with the thousand cuts strategy, Empire has to suffer an unambiguous defeat somewhere but one that falls short of inviting a blistering response where any victory would the definition of "Pyrrhic". The time, place and circumstances of that defeat need to be carefully calibrated in order to achieve the desired outcome. Destroying the bases of a nuclear superpower whilst justified is probably not the best next move. The psychological pressure on US service personnel must now be immense, anyway, so perhaps better to leave that on a slow boil. The mental pressure of waiting for a response is a weapon itself, not only on the personnel but the citizenry of the nations of Empire. The populace in all the aggressor nations are getting increasingly restless as it becomes ever more self evident to those populaces that our countries are the aggressors. 
      Ultimately all that Iran and other enemies of Empire need to do is carry on the current slow bleed strategy and not be provoked into anything rash. They are winning, Empire is losing. Iran will continue the bringing of the Zionists to heel, Russia will carry on crushing Empire's proxy Nazis in Ukraine. 
   
Hope your right Gringo about not attacking American bases, my son in law is on one, he should come home next Saturday for six weeks off, I don’t know if he will make a flight out?  Trump has upped the Anti now I’m afraid,  there’s no telling what will happen now.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #419 on: June 22, 2025, 05:06:PM »
Hope your right Gringo about not attacking American bases, my son in law is on one, he should come home next Saturday for six weeks off, I don’t know if he will make a flight out?  Trump has upped the Anti now I’m afraid,  there’s no telling what will happen now.
    Hope he stays safe, HB