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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #180 on: October 26, 2024, 11:32:AM »
Israel strikes Iran: https://youtu.be/28DRZmOkgDs

It was just after 2.15am when Iranians woke to the sounds of explosions and the first plumes of smoke began to rise near the capital.

After weeks of speculation, leaks and fierce battles against Iran’s proxies on its borders, Israel finally launched its retaliation against Tehran’s missile barrage last month.

Codenamed “Days of Repentance”, Israel declared “mission completed” within four hours of the first strike, after bombing military targets across the Islamic Republic and triggering panic in Iranian cities by the time fighter jets returned home.

Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of Israel, had promised Iran “would pay for it” after launching a barrage of 180 missiles and drones which rained down on Jerusalem and Tel Aviv on Oct 1.

In the early hours of Saturday morning, he sat in a war room wearing a black puffer jacket and blue shirt as the order was given to fire the first missiles towards Tehran, southern Khuzestan and western Ilam provinces.

Flanking him were Yoav Gallant, the defence minister, and generals at the Israeli Defense Force (IDF) headquarters in Kirya, Tel Aviv, as fighter jets targeted the factories and storage facilities used to make the weapons launched 1,500km in the other direction three weeks ago.

At one point, Major General Herzi Halevi, commanding the mission, was seen looking tense, as General Tomer Bar, the Air Force commander, gave instructions on a military phone, as the first wave against Iranian air defences had been completed.

As the first of the missiles fired by supersonic F-35 stealth fighters struck, Iran tried to play down the impact of the attack as videos emerged showing an apocalyptic Tehran skyline.

US and Israeli officials claim that three waves of strikes took place, first targeting the country’s air defence systems.

The screech of ballistic missiles descending towards the ground before crashing into their targets was followed by orange flashes in the sky and a firework-like sound, as Iran attempted to shoot down incoming rockets with what was left of its air defence system.

Dozens of Israeli fighter jets, supported by refuellers and spy planes, then returned with two more waves targeting the bases and factories of drones and missiles which could be used in a repeat of Iran’s last attack against Israel.

In Khuzestan, the grey cloudy skies were lit up as missiles exploded at Dezful Military Airport and a nearby surface-to-air missile site.

Smoke was seen rising from an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) airbase near the town of Khojir, while scrambled Iranian aircraft which were reportedly heard over Tehran made no impact.

In desperation, some Iranian forces resorted to primitive measures, attempting in vain to use anti-aircraft guns to target long-range missiles.

Explosions were also reported at Isfahan, home to a military base and a missile production factory, as well as Mashhad, where an Iranian airfield is located.

While the Iranian military command urged citizens to maintain “unity and calm” during the crisis, drivers were queuing for fuel before sunrise.

Long after the last Israeli planes had returned home, Iranian airspace was still closed until 9.00am.

In what it had told allies was preventing further escalation, Israel appeared to have stopped short of hitting nuclear facilities and oil refineries which would have devastated Iran, instead focusing on thwarting “immediate threats to the State of Israel”.

Israel is said to have been ready to attack for days, despite some details of the planning being leaked from the US.

According to some reports, they waited until this morning because of the weather.

But in a move perhaps intended to give Tehran an off-ramp, Tel Aviv had told Iran “what they are going to attack in general and what they are not going to attack”, according to the US website Axios.

Iran’s national air defence headquarters initially said that its “integrated air defence system successfully intercepted and countered this aggressive action”.

But it then confirmed hits on “military centres” in Tehran, southern Khuzestan, and western Ilam provinces.

The headquarters described the Israeli operation as “criminal and illegal”, adding: “Despite previous warnings… to refrain from any adventurous actions, this illegitimate regime carried out a provocative attack early this morning.”

Whether the tit for tat continues between the two states, who do not share a border, now lies with Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the Iranian supreme leader, and how the country will respond.

Sources told Tasnim, the IRGC-affiliated news agency, that “Iran is prepared to respond to any act of aggression by Israel” but as Tel Aviv and Jerusalem woke up to the news of the strike, Israel issued a further warning to Tehran.

Lt Col Daniel Hagari, an IDF spokesman, said: “If the regime in Iran makes the mistake and starts a new round of escalation – we will be obliged to respond.

“Our message is clear: anyone who threatens the State of Israel and strives to drag the region into a wider escalation will pay a heavy price.”

Efforts to project normalcy
State television in Iran started a coordinated effort early Saturday to project normalcy across the country following the Israeli strikes, with channels airing live scenes from various cities to demonstrate business as usual.

But the display of calm was repeatedly interrupted by pundits demanding a forceful response.

“They have officially directly attacked Iran and it should have an appropriate response to make it balance,” one analyst said on state television.

Iran also threatened its citizens with lengthy prison sentences for sharing footage of overnight Israeli strikes in a possible attempt to cover up any major damage and offer a way to de-escalate quietly.

The IDF’s focus for now will return to its year-long war in Gaza against Iran-backed Hamas and the battle against Hezbollah in Lebanon following the recent ground invasion.

Already on Saturday morning, Hezbollah has continued its daily rocket fire over the Lebanon border and drone launches towards villages and towns in the north.

Now Israelis will face a wait to see if the sirens will also sound for a direct attack by the terror group’s backer of Iran.
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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #181 on: October 26, 2024, 01:48:PM »
Everyone who matters understands the price of attacking Iran is way too high. You either don’t or choose not to but there will be no direct attack on Iran.

   Israel couldn’t strike Iranian launch sites. How will they do this? You do know the distance between Iran and Israel, I take it. Iran’s sites are buried underground and in mountains. Israel have no ground based missile capability that could reach Iran, never mind take out their launch sites. Israeli planes can’t reach Iran without refuelling, airspace closed off to them.


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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #182 on: October 26, 2024, 05:50:PM »
This is probably the first time F-35s have been used in a strike mission

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_2024_Israeli_strikes_on_Iran

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« Reply #183 on: October 28, 2024, 04:09:PM »
    David and Steve still cheering on the soon to be doomed genocidal Zionists is a surprise to no-one. The Zionist attack on Iran was a failure on every level despite Zionist claims, amplified without question by Western media. No Israeli planes entered Iran-where is the evidence? where is the footage of the destruction?, of missiles hitting? There was ample footage of Iranian missiles raining down on Nevatim airbase. Israel and their western sponsors are international pariahs and there is no going back to the previous "status quo". The more children, medics, aid workers that they massacre only emphasises their ultimate defeat. The impotence against Iran in stark contrast to their blind, genocidal rage when confronted only by civilians.
     What did you think of the bombing of the Al Aqsa hospital recently, where the Zionist bombed the tents outside of the hospital? They were using tents because the hospital, along with every other hospital and medical centre in Gaza had already been bombed by the IDF. There is real evidence of this and video of people being burned to death whilst in hospital beds hooked up to IV drips;

     https://x.com/sophiehurwitz/status/1845655115203592304

     Both of you are willing to believe any claim made by a media simply repeating Israeli media, which is admittedly controlled by military censorship, with no supporting evidence but ignore the most horrific war crimes committed in open view by the maniacs that you cheer on. You are neither serious nor honest contributors to the discussions here. You are cheerleaders for genociders.


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« Reply #184 on: October 28, 2024, 04:39:PM »
"The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters",

    Antonio Gramsci's famous observation during the uneasy period between WW1 and WW2. As Mark Twain observed, "history often rhymes". To be clear to our resident Genocide supporting regulars. The old world that is currently dying is the US/UK western dominated financial and trade system of the old Western powers. The New World struggling to be born is the BRICS+ backed system by-passing dollar reserve status and using alternative systems for international transactions.
    The trajectory, however, is clear to all objective observers. The old world is dying. A new world is being born. This is unstoppable. The monsters are those who, in their desperation to prevent the inevitable and to cover their crimes, are willing to commit and justify any atrocity. The whole world is bearing witness to US/UK/Israel crimes. It matters not one jot how many westerners close their eyes or are willingly duped to the truth of the crimes being committed in their name. It doesn't change the ultimate trajectory of the demise of Western hegemony.

   

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« Reply #185 on: October 28, 2024, 07:58:PM »
     No Israeli planes entered Iran-where is the evidence? where is the footage of the destruction?, of missiles hitting? There was ample footage of Iranian missiles raining down on Nevatim airbase.

Plenty of satellite photos showing the damage.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy7dkgz71x6o

Nevatim is in relatively close proximity to civilian buildings. Iran is vast and there wont be any bystanders waiting with their phones to film it. 

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #186 on: October 29, 2024, 08:11:AM »
When it comes to precision, satellite intelligence and air defences, Iran cannot match Israel. If Iran unleash a higher number of rockets, they're not precision enough to guarantee destruction of Israel's military facilities. While I'm sure Israel don't want their air defences to be overwhelmed, they could strike back much worse on Iran than they have just done.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/israeli-strikes-knocked-out-all-of-irans-s-300-air-defense-systems-officials
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« Reply #187 on: October 29, 2024, 10:44:AM »
When it comes to precision, satellite intelligence and air defences, Iran cannot match Israel. If Iran unleash a higher number of rockets, they're not precision enough to guarantee destruction of Israel's military facilities. While I'm sure Israel don't want their air defences to be overwhelmed, they could strike back much worse on Iran than they have just done.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/israeli-strikes-knocked-out-all-of-irans-s-300-air-defense-systems-officials

Also the Iranian rockets are not DIY style unguided cheapjack that Hamas use. They are expensive high end tech, and its not feasible financially to keep striking with 95% of them getting intercepted.

Ideally you will need to use air to surface missiles, launched from modern fighter jets whereby the pilots skill can circumvent and or nullify the enemy defences.

I expect the recent developments will prompt Iran to modernise it air-force a lot quicker.

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« Reply #188 on: October 29, 2024, 05:59:PM »
Both of you are willing to believe any claim made by a media simply repeating Israeli media, which is admittedly controlled by military censorship, with no supporting evidence but ignore the most horrific war crimes committed in open view by the maniacs that you cheer on. You are neither serious nor honest contributors to the discussions here. You are cheerleaders for genociders.

Says the apologist who applauds an act of aggression that is nearing 500,000 casualties on both sides. Who's hero has recently signed another degree conscripting another 130,000 young Russian men to the meat grinder. Who's actions and policies are so destructive only North Korea is prepared to be a willing participant. What an astounding projecting.

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« Reply #189 on: October 29, 2024, 06:38:PM »
When it comes to precision, satellite intelligence and air defences, Iran cannot match Israel. If Iran unleash a higher number of rockets, they're not precision enough to guarantee destruction of Israel's military facilities. While I'm sure Israel don't want their air defences to be overwhelmed, they could strike back much worse on Iran than they have just done.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/israeli-strikes-knocked-out-all-of-irans-s-300-air-defense-systems-officials
   
When it comes to precision, satellite intelligence and air defences, Iran cannot match Israel. If Iran unleash a higher number of rockets, they're not precision enough to guarantee destruction of Israel's military facilities. While I'm sure Israel don't want their air defences to be overwhelmed, they could strike back much worse on Iran than they have just done.

https://www.twz.com/news-features/israeli-strikes-knocked-out-all-of-irans-s-300-air-defense-systems-officials
     https://x.com/IRIran_Military/status/1843860269455552613

      Here are dozens of missiles striking Nevatim Airbase (one of the most defended places on Earth). completely unopposed. We are told that nothing was damaged, or very little. Have we been shown the craters from these dozens of strikes? Surely if they hit nothing it would be in the Israelis interests to show us the impacts. On the other hand a bloke in TMZ quotes an anonymous source telling us that all of Irans S300's have been taken out. (Source-"Trust me bro").
     I suspect that your belief in the imprecision of Iranian missiles will be severely challenged by events shortly, Roch. Israel are desperate to drag in the US/NATO. They understand very well that Iran are way more powerful than Israel.
     You also appear to have memory holed the very precise attack on the illegal US base (Al Asad) in Iraq. Iran's missiles all struck buildings on a base with much empty space. There is no doubt that Iranian missile tech is more advanced than Israel.

      Alastair Crooke's view on the Israeli damp squib attack on Iran;

https://x.com/SilenceBorne/status/1850938607080726705

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« Reply #190 on: October 29, 2024, 08:46:PM »
         https://x.com/IRIran_Military/status/1843860269455552613

      Here are dozens of missiles striking Nevatim Airbase (one of the most defended places on Earth). completely unopposed. We are told that nothing was damaged, or very little. Have we been shown the craters from these dozens of strikes? Surely if they hit nothing it would be in the Israelis interests to show us the impacts. On the other hand a bloke in TMZ quotes an anonymous source telling us that all of Irans S300's have been taken out. (Source-"Trust me bro").
   

What you are seeing is burning missile debris falling down after being intercepted. Ballistic missiles do not light up the sky and fall at the speed of rain.

Any Fattah-1 or Fattah-2 that struck their targets will not been seen approaching. You will just see an explosion without warning. A bit like in the footage below. You might hear it go past you but that's about it.

https://youtu.be/m8KimNtB9HI?feature=shared

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« Reply #191 on: October 30, 2024, 01:58:PM »
What you are seeing is burning missile debris falling down after being intercepted. Ballistic missiles do not light up the sky and fall at the speed of rain.

Any Fattah-1 or Fattah-2 that struck their targets will not been seen approaching. You will just see an explosion without warning. A bit like in the footage below. You might hear it go past you but that's about it.

https://youtu.be/m8KimNtB9HI?feature=shared
    "The fast moving firey dot is the RV(re-entry vehicle). It glows because of the same reason a bicycle pump gets hot, compressed air. The RV is moving ao fast, air doesn't have time to move aside, so it gets compressed.

There are other slower pieces which fall, those are the rocket motor and possibly pen aids.

Despite some rather hopeful claims on CNN, one thing you aren't seeing at intercepts...BM RV interceptions take place at far too high altitudes for cellphone camera to record, unlike rocket ones.

Basically if yoy are seeing an RV on cellphone camera, its penetrated the defences and is about to hit."


    Missile debris  :-[  It was missiles hitting their targets, David. You should note Alastair Crooke's appraisal of events. The available facts support the version of events given by Crooke. Hundreds of planes but minimal damage. Boosters were found in Iraq supporting the claims that no planes entered Iranian airspace. They daren't because as soon as they do they would be shot down. Israel/NATO were all in on this attack and its utter failure is plain to see.
    There is a next round coming. We will see what the Iranian response is. If NATO/Israel are telling the truth (I know ::)) then Iran will be unable to respond. How would they dare to given that, according to NATO/Israel their air defence is now "naked".
    Time will tell.

     

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« Reply #192 on: October 30, 2024, 07:22:PM »
    David and Steve still cheering on the soon to be doomed genocidal Zionists is a surprise to no-one. The Zionist attack on Iran was a failure on every level despite Zionist claims, amplified without question by Western media. No Israeli planes entered Iran-where is the evidence? where is the footage of the destruction?, of missiles hitting? There was ample footage of Iranian missiles raining down on Nevatim airbase. Israel and their western sponsors are international pariahs and there is no going back to the previous "status quo". The more children, medics, aid workers that they massacre only emphasises their ultimate defeat. The impotence against Iran in stark contrast to their blind, genocidal rage when confronted only by civilians.
     What did you think of the bombing of the Al Aqsa hospital recently, where the Zionist bombed the tents outside of the hospital? They were using tents because the hospital, along with every other hospital and medical centre in Gaza had already been bombed by the IDF. There is real evidence of this and video of people being burned to death whilst in hospital beds hooked up to IV drips;

     https://x.com/sophiehurwitz/status/1845655115203592304

     Both of you are willing to believe any claim made by a media simply repeating Israeli media, which is admittedly controlled by military censorship, with no supporting evidence but ignore the most horrific war crimes committed in open view by the maniacs that you cheer on. You are neither serious nor honest contributors to the discussions here. You are cheerleaders for genociders.
I would have thought the Iranian Revolutionary Guards would be the ones quaking in their shoes, especially if Trump is elected.

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« Reply #193 on: November 01, 2024, 04:22:PM »
         https://x.com/IRIran_Military/status/1843860269455552613

      Here are dozens of missiles striking Nevatim Airbase (one of the most defended places on Earth). completely unopposed. We are told that nothing was damaged, or very little. Have we been shown the craters from these dozens of strikes? Surely if they hit nothing it would be in the Israelis interests to show us the impacts. On the other hand a bloke in TMZ quotes an anonymous source telling us that all of Irans S300's have been taken out. (Source-"Trust me bro").
     I suspect that your belief in the imprecision of Iranian missiles will be severely challenged by events shortly, Roch. Israel are desperate to drag in the US/NATO. They understand very well that Iran are way more powerful than Israel.
     You also appear to have memory holed the very precise attack on the illegal US base (Al Asad) in Iraq. Iran's missiles all struck buildings on a base with much empty space. There is no doubt that Iranian missile tech is more advanced than Israel.

      Alastair Crooke's view on the Israeli damp squib attack on Iran;

https://x.com/SilenceBorne/status/1850938607080726705

Hello Gringo.  Do you think the images provided for the Israeli strike on Iran are not right? It's just they they do look very accurate in terms of aiming.

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« Reply #194 on: November 01, 2024, 07:37:PM »
Hello Gringo.  Do you think the images provided for the Israeli strike on Iran are not right? It's just they they do look very accurate in terms of aiming.
    Hi Roch. Which images are you referring to. The handful of satellite pics on the BBC story are not very informative. They certainly don't match the wild claims made by Israel. There are many clearer versions of those pics on X/Twitter which show, at best, minimal damage. The available evidence appears to show the intent of a large scale attack with very little damage to show for it. Many grandiose claims of destroying Iranian air defence but no evidence apart from that favourite of western media, "an anonymous source" and a few pictures of unknown buildings etc.
     Crooke and other commentators are in my view nearer to the truth of what occurred. It certainly fits with the known and agreed evidence. Over 100 planes in the "first wave" of what was announced by the Isrealis themselves as a "three wave" attack. The first wave was what is referred to as SEAD mission (Suppression and destruction of Enemy Air Defence). This obviously then opens the airspace for the next wave of missiles/air attacks.
     This is the problem with the Israeli narrative repeated in the western media. The second and third wave of this announced attack was to destroy those targets previously defended by the air defence that Israel claims to have destroyed in the first wave. Over 100 planes plus all the refuelling planes in the air also at that time. But no planes entered Iranian air space. Nothing of note was hit or we would have been told about it and the evidence would be clear. Instead we are told that Iran's air defence is destroyed and this is "supported" by a handful of sat pics of who knows what.
     Crooke and others claim that the Israeli planes were "painted" whilst over Iraq by an unknown air defence system. They launched what they had, mostly shot down as shown in footage posted earlier, turned back and waves 2 and 3 never happened. This scenario much better fits the known and agreed facts. It was certainly intended as a large operation by Israel. The number of planes and co-ordination of US and others, the announcement of a three wave attack all give credence to this scenario. But there were no further waves and nothing much happened, in truth.
     We are also to believe that Iran's ability to launch a missile attack has been neutralised by the Israeli damp squib attack on Iran. Time will tell, Roch, whether the Israeli raid was a success, as claimed by the IDF, or a pathetically ineffective shooting of their wad, as claimed by more sober and less partisan analysts. Iran's response will establish one way or the other. I expect that Iran's response will prove definitively that Iran's ability to launch accurate missiles at important targets is undiminished. It will turn out, in a surprise to no-one, that Zionist occupiers are lying.
     The "unknown air defence system" could be Russian or Iranian developed. Iranians have excellent missile and air defence tech, all home developed, because they have been under western sanctions for years. Western sanctions appear to be the healthiest boost an economy can have, in the long term. Israel can produce very little themselves and need their western sugar daddies. I doubt that even with all that help they will be able to prevent Iran's inevitable retaliation from causing significant and undeniable damage.