Iranian Strike

[ngb1066]

There should be a negotiation: Iran stops funding terrorism abroad and the West will leave well alone.

Meaningless drivel.

[Hardy Boy]

Meaningless drivel.

My worry is NGB, Trump wanted Israel to hit Iran's nuclear programme and worry about the rest later.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-says-he-thinks-israel-should-hit-iran-nuclear-facilities/

[gringo]

There should be a negotiation: Iran stops funding terrorism abroad and the West will leave well alone.

    What is your estimate of civilian death inflicted by the IDF, Steve(aided and abetted by UK/US targeting, intel, weapons and bombs)? How do you justify the scale of collective punishment meted out to civilian populations?
    You, and other apologists of this barbarity, need to wake up. If you watched the interview with Dr. Tanya Haj-Hassan, you should note her fear of what will be uncovered, "once the dust settles". The barbarity currently being witnessed by the world is only the tip of the iceberg. Once the dust does settle, apologists such as yourself, will need to reconcile yourself with what you have supported. What is visible is already sickening to the civilised people of the world. Utterly depraved barbarism. Your wilful blindness to the horrors inflicted by those you support won't age well.
     

     

[ngb1066]

My worry is NGB, Trump wanted Israel to hit Iran's nuclear programme and worry about the rest later.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/trump-says-he-thinks-israel-should-hit-iran-nuclear-facilities/

I agree HB, this is a great worry.  There would be immediate escalation and it is not clear where it would end. 

[ngb1066]

    What is your estimate of civilian death inflicted by the IDF, Steve(aided and abetted by UK/US targeting, intel, weapons and bombs)? How do you justify the scale of collective punishment meted out to civilian populations?
    You, and other apologists of this barbarity, need to wake up. If you watched the interview with Dr. Tanya Haj-Hassan, you should note her fear of what will be uncovered, "once the dust settles". The barbarity currently being witnessed by the world is only the tip of the iceberg. Once the dust does settle, apologists such as yourself, will need to reconcile yourself with what you have supported. What is visible is already sickening to the civilised people of the world. Utterly depraved barbarism. Your wilful blindness to the horrors inflicted by those you support won't age well.
     

   

I very much doubt if Steve will give you a direct answer to your question gringo.  He has backed himself into a corner and has nowhere to go.  He cannot bring himself to accept that any criticism of Israel is justified, let alone the outrage and condemnation that most of the world are now expressing.  Even the Pope is speaking out and I would have thought that would influence Steve as an admitted High Church Anglican with a leaning towards Rome.

[Roch]

I very much doubt if Steve will give you a direct answer to your question gringo.  He has backed himself into a corner and has nowhere to go.  He cannot bring himself to accept that any criticism of Israel is justified, let alone the outrage and condemnation that most of the world are now expressing.  Even the Pope is speaking out and I would have thought that would influence Steve as an admitted High Church Anglican with a leaning towards Rome.

Anyone who is only speaking out now is a year too late.

The IDF were supposed have killed all Hamas fighters who didn't make it back inside Gaza. That is where it should have ended. All they had to do next was to negotiate the return of the hostages. They could have clinically taken out Hamas leaders if they had bided their time. I don't see any difference between the IDF and those who conducted reprisals after Reinhardt Heydrich was assassinated.

[ngb1066]

I don't see any difference between the IDF and those who conducted reprisals after Reinhardt Heydrich was assassinated.

That is a fair analogy Roch.  In fact the IDF have murdered far more in Gaza than those murdered by the Nazis at Lidice in 1942.

[Roch]

Looks like I was right

https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/politics/israel-iran-antimissile-system-us-troops/index.html

[Roch]

That is a fair analogy Roch.  In fact the IDF have murdered far more in Gaza than those murdered by the Nazis at Lidice in 1942.

They make the Bosnian Serbs look like angels ngb.

[ngb1066]

They make the Bosnian Serbs look like angels ngb.

Yes, and the ICC is not meant to have jurisdiction solely over those of whom the USA and the UK disapprove.  The hypocrisy is dreadful.  Netanyahu and his evil gang should be in the Hague.


   

[Steve_uk]

What a complete maniac.  People like this are leading us to a third world war, which would be catastrophic for humanity.

I am sure you are ignoring the latest UN report published yesterday, which is damning of Israel's conduct.  I am sure you are also quite happy that Israel is now attacking UN peacekeepers.

Is there no depravity of the Israeli government and IDF which you are prepared even to criticize, let alone condemn?

As I have posted before, history will judge and it will not reflect favourable on those you unconditionally support.

 

Listen and learn: https://youtu.be/ZEbXZz6RveQ

[Steve_uk]

Personally speaking, I believe the war needs to come home to Israel. Not the children of Israel. Not the moderate, rational, innocent civilians of Israel, not the hospitals and schools of Israel.  But the IDF, the military infrastructure, the genocidal fruitcakes on the far right and the settler movement, need to be hit hard. Dismantled.  Hitting the IDF will no doubt kill the sons and daughters of moderate, innocent Israeli parents - which would be a sad consequence of justice being meted out to Israel.

Is it 60,000 who have been evacuated from northern Israel due to Hezbollah rockets? Israel has been at war since 1948.

[Steve_uk]

    What is your estimate of civilian death inflicted by the IDF, Steve(aided and abetted by UK/US targeting, intel, weapons and bombs)? How do you justify the scale of collective punishment meted out to civilian populations?
    You, and other apologists of this barbarity, need to wake up. If you watched the interview with Dr. Tanya Haj-Hassan, you should note her fear of what will be uncovered, "once the dust settles". The barbarity currently being witnessed by the world is only the tip of the iceberg. Once the dust does settle, apologists such as yourself, will need to reconcile yourself with what you have supported. What is visible is already sickening to the civilised people of the world. Utterly depraved barbarism. Your wilful blindness to the horrors inflicted by those you support won't age well.
     

   

It's justified because Israel handed back Gaza in 2005. They could have made it a paradise with a Mediterranean coastline, a tourist attraction. Instead they built tunnels, the sole purpose of which was to destroy the Jewish state. Are you going to come to the rescue gringo, or are all 7 million Jews to be massacred? Do tell.

[Steve_uk]

I very much doubt if Steve will give you a direct answer to your question gringo.  He has backed himself into a corner and has nowhere to go.  He cannot bring himself to accept that any criticism of Israel is justified, let alone the outrage and condemnation that most of the world are now expressing.  Even the Pope is speaking out and I would have thought that would influence Steve as an admitted High Church Anglican with a leaning towards Rome.

Not at all. I have answered directly, as I always do.

[ngb1066]

Listen and learn: https://youtu.be/ZEbXZz6RveQ

I listened to this typical Zionist spin and learned nothing new.