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Offline David1819

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #105 on: October 03, 2024, 04:05:PM »

     https://x.com/squatsons/status/1841548683566821424

     Israel air bases covered by a digital cloud today in order to prevent satellite photos being taken. Iran have done significant damage.

Digital clouds?  :)) You really have lost the plot.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #106 on: October 03, 2024, 04:35:PM »
    How many of these "Dream Beams" have been tested, David?   
    You are free to believe that a not yet developed, tested or manufactured system can shoot down hypersonic missiles if you wish. There is less than zero evidence to support this "Dream Beam".

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #107 on: October 03, 2024, 04:49:PM »
In April 2022, the Israeli MoD and Rafael announced successful experiments wherein the Iron Beam system effectively shot down drones, rockets, mortar bombs, and anti-tank missiles. Due to concerns about the availability of Iron Dome projectiles to counter attacks, there was a push for earlier deployment of the system. However, Rafael stated in October 2022 that the operational deployment of the 100+kW weapon is expected to take "two to three years."


Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/israel-tests-new-cheaper-laser-based-missile-defense-system-amid-hamas-rocket-attacks/articleshow/104495136.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    You are making claims beyond those claimed by Rafael Systems themselves. And the claims that they make are unevidenced PR. Dream Beam lasers taking down hypersonics is a fantasy that you have just made up.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #108 on: October 03, 2024, 05:59:PM »
In April 2022, the Israeli MoD and Rafael announced successful experiments wherein the Iron Beam system effectively shot down drones, rockets, mortar bombs, and anti-tank missiles. Due to concerns about the availability of Iron Dome projectiles to counter attacks, there was a push for earlier deployment of the system. However, Rafael stated in October 2022 that the operational deployment of the 100+kW weapon is expected to take "two to three years."


Read more at:
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/israel-tests-new-cheaper-laser-based-missile-defense-system-amid-hamas-rocket-attacks/articleshow/104495136.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst

    You are making claims beyond those claimed by Rafael Systems themselves. And the claims that they make are unevidenced PR. Dream Beam lasers taking down hypersonics is a fantasy that you have just made up.

That system in particular is not intended for hypersonic missiles. A laser intended for a hypersonic missile  will be over 1000kW.

A laser travels at the speed of light (186,000 miles per seconds). They can in theory intercept anything. Its just a question of having enough energy to disintegrate the projectile in time.

Israel already has hypersonic interceptors (Arrow 3) but its an astronomical cost per rocket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3


PS: The one who claimed there are digital clouds to obscure satellite photos, accuses me of having fantasies?  :))  If such thing was possible every major military base would have them up all the time 🤡

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #109 on: October 03, 2024, 07:17:PM »
That system in particular is not intended for hypersonic missiles. A laser intended for a hypersonic missile  will be over 1000kW.

A laser travels at the speed of light (186,000 miles per seconds). They can in theory intercept anything. Its just a question of having enough energy to disintegrate the projectile in time.

Israel already has hypersonic interceptors (Arrow 3) but its an astronomical cost per rocket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_3


PS: The one who claimed there are digital clouds to obscure satellite photos, accuses me of having fantasies?  :))  If such thing was possible every major military base would have them up all the time 🤡
    Whether the photo was altered or not, makes no difference to the fact that Israel are covering up the damage to their base which is obviously substantial. It s also obvious that Israel has no defence to future larger attacks. Whether or not you get the picture, others do.
     The West has no defence against hypersonics. Everything that you post confirms this as well as the fact that you are making it up on the hoof. This is evidenced by the fact that you have gone from confirming that you believe that the yet to be developed or manufactured or deployed "Iron Dream Beam" can intercept hypersonics in your post at 3.27- only to now claim that the "Iron Dream Beam"(which doesn't even exist outside of a few drawings and perhaps crude prototypes) isn't designed to intercept hypersonics.
      You also add some random figures which you have next to zero understanding of to somehow "boost your case" of hypersonic interceptions. You should have just said, "No" at 3.27 instead of "Yes", because that is basically what you have done. It is amazing how you can say so little and be so spectacularly wrong.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #110 on: October 04, 2024, 09:58:PM »
We'll see what happens: https://youtu.be/KKy0fkFUtfE

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #111 on: October 05, 2024, 03:23:PM »
Why do Iran's missiles not have pinpoint accuracy? Is it something to do with satellite technology being owned by other countries?

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #112 on: October 05, 2024, 07:52:PM »
I'm surprised Israel are potentially looking at a strike on Iran's oil facilities with the tacit approval of the West.  This will undoutedly fuel inflation and I thought inflation was enemy number one not Iran!?
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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #113 on: October 05, 2024, 11:32:PM »
Why do Iran's missiles not have pinpoint accuracy? Is it something to do with satellite technology being owned by other countries?

According to Gringo Israel can put "Digital Clouds" over it's bases. Maybe that has something to do with it?  :))

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #114 on: October 06, 2024, 02:34:AM »
According to Gringo Israel can put "Digital Clouds" over it's bases. Maybe that has something to do with it?  :))
   They can digitally alter satellite photos and they are clearly covering up extensive damage. Your focus on this issue is only to divert from your ill informed nonsense regarding the Iron Dome and its capabilities and the not yet produced "Iron Dream Beam". You contradict yourself within hours. Also the fact that Iran can hit heavily defended Zionist assets easily and within minutes is something that cannot be ignored or wished away, however much you would like to.
      Iranian missile accuracy is only disputed by those who take in too much IDF sourced propaganda. If instead of IDF propaganda you choose to believe, "your own lying eyes", then Iranian missile accuracy, penetration and ability to defeat easily Israeli Air Defence is plain to see.
     Do you remember Ain Al Assad US base in Iraq? A dozen or so missiles minus warheads(ie. using only kinetic power as a demonstration). Every missile hit a building. That was a demonstration of Iranian accuracy. This time they have also demonstrated that they can easily penetrate even well defended airspace such as the Israeli bases. Information from both bases Nevatim and Tel Nof is censored and clearly more damage was done than is admitted by the Zios. The pretence that Iran missed the targets is laughable and simply Zionist cope. Everyone can see the strikes raining down on the Israeli bases unhindered. Pretending that they let them through cause they weren't hitting anything is fucking hilarious. The Zios are in checkmate. They cannot defend and have no answer to Iranian missiles.
     You will find as information and pictures become available that being told by the IDF that all the missiles missed is not necessarily true. More fool anyone who takes the word of the IDF as evidence of anything. Of course the missiles hit where intended and Israel is incapable of intercepting them. Those are the available facts. IDF propaganda doesn't change what everyone can see.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #115 on: October 06, 2024, 02:51:AM »
Iron beam is an interesting development. Similar laser systems are in development that will be mounted to aircraft carriers and F-35s. It's the future of air defence.

     Another one of your gems above. Do you still imagine that the Iron Dream Beam mounted to Aircraft Carriers and F35's is the "future of air defence"? I only ask because when you made this statement it was still at least a couple of hours until you realised that it was never intended to intercept anything other than slow moving drones and crude rockets. You believed that the not yet even produced as a prototype Dream Beam was some super laser, intercepting hypersonic and supersonic ballistic missiles.
      Empire and their Zionist colony know the score with Iranian missile and AD capabilities. The stories that they spin to cast aspersions on Iran's capabilities are copium for the consumption of people like yourself who prefer comforting lies to uncomfortable truths.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #116 on: October 06, 2024, 02:59:AM »
I'm surprised Israel are potentially looking at a strike on Iran's oil facilities with the tacit approval of the West.  This will undoutedly fuel inflation and I thought inflation was enemy number one not Iran!?
    It will cause more than inflation, CC. The Iranians will shut off the Hormuz(which transits around 30% of oil consumed in the world). It would be akin to, or worse than, the Great Depression of 1929 according to many and I agree with that assessment. Any Western involvement will lead to all US bases in the region(around 30,000 troops in various bases) being attacked in non-defendable bases. Israel will have no infra-stucture left should they target any Iranian infrastructure. The Zionist state is tiny and heavily reliant on its Air Force. It cannot match the Iranians in missile/rocket tech in quality or quantity. Iran is vast and has a number of population centres and hundreds of power plants. Israel by comparison have few. How will Israel reach all these targets 2,000 or so km away? Planes that will have nowhere to land when they return? if they return? (reports of S400's transferred to Iran). Iran, on the other hand, can send missiles to Israel that take less than 12 minutes from take off to arrival( of which they have probably thousands, as well tens of thousands of non hypersonic missiles.), as already demonstrated. They have effective Iranian developed AD as well as Russian which they demonstrated in their take down of the US AWACS plane in 2019. Iran have yet to reveal all of their hand.
     The matter of the accuracy of Iranian missiles is only doubted by idiotic western propaganda masquerading as reportage. Their "knowledge" of Iranian missile accuracy is simply repeating what the IDF told them to say. You should be more sceptical of un-evidenced, dubiously sourced Western media pronouncements, Roch.
     What we know so far of Iranian missile and AD tech would suggest that Western media are being economical with the truth(lying! whoda thunk it). There have been a number of very public demonstrations of Iranian missile accuracy and power. Those demonstrations have always carried an important message, deliberately ignored by western so-called media and governments, but well understood nonetheless.Any one of those attacks could be larger by a magnitude or more if Iran chooses. This is understood.
      The game's up and all the Western Empire has left is terror and killing civilians, scorched earth policy as a negotiating tool. It is clear to most of the world, outside the censored and propagandised West, that Empire has been defeated militarily. Russia has shown NATO to be a paper tiger. IDF have committed genocide but not defeated Hamas. They have evacuated over 100,000 settlers from the North for months now because of Hezbollah. Despite killing Nasrallah + others and bombing hospitals, medics, children and civilians in Lebanon now as well as Gaza, the Zionist baby murderers are predictably faring less well in their ground incursions into Lebanon where they meet the most battle hardened, well equipped and organised militia in the world.
      Empire, in whatever guise, has no effective moves left that don't put them in a worse position. Ground incursion by Israel into Lebanon will end worse than their last attempt in 2006. Western involvement would only make it worse. Hezbollah are much stronger and IDF much weaker since 2006. Bombing Iran infrastructure means goodbye Israel and all US bases/interests in the Middle East and whatever predictable and unpredictable consequences of that may be. A ground invasion of Iran is not even remotely possible(the geography of Iran makes it very defendable- surrounded by mountains). This is what also makes the AnsarAllah in Yemen(Houthis) undefeatable and next to impossible to invade.
      Israel attempting to or using nukes would be the end of them.
      We are in troubling times and our so-called leaders simply aren't up to the job. There is no statemanship or diplomacy left in the West. All western diplomatic corps are a rabble and an embarrassment to their countries still attempting threats on their former colonies who are throwing off the shackles and turning to Russia, China and the larger BRICS union and multi-polarity.
       The Russian SloMo SMO and Iranian and Chinese "strategic patience" in the face of western aggression and provocation has exposed the unmasked face of Empire to the rest of the world. The longer it has gone, the more it has worked against Empire and turned the global south against Empire and towards Russia, China et al. What was portrayed as weakness by western media, was always strategic patience and intended to weaken support for the Empire, as well as bleed them out militarily and economically. It is working a treat.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #117 on: October 06, 2024, 03:27:AM »
https://x.com/IranNuances/status/1842200121208914033


Commander: "Any mistake by #Israel could lead to its destruction. We'll target all of Israel's energy sources i.e. power plants, refineries & gas fields. #Iran has many economic centers but Israel has only 3 power plants & some refineries, all of which we can target all at once."

    For those still not getting it. A week ago not many here would have believed the above to be a "credible" threat. Anyone who doesn't believe it now isn't credible themselves. Iran can destroy Israel and anyone paying attention understands that perfectly well.

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #118 on: October 06, 2024, 03:42:AM »

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Re: Iranian Strike
« Reply #119 on: October 06, 2024, 10:13:AM »
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