Iranian Strike

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Utter rubbish.  It is the biggest threat to world peace today.  A terrorist regime run by evil supremacists.  Without US support they would not last a month.

   Even with US support, the days of the terrorist Zionist regime are coming to an end in my view, ngb. Their status as world pariahs and genocidaires now firmly rooted in world opinion. Iran's latest strike on Israeli military and intelligence sites only solidifies the pariah/criminal status of the Zionists. In contrast to the actual terrorists in the Middle East (Israel) whose bombing has led to the complete obliteration of vital civilian infrastructure(hospitals, schools, water purification, electricity supplies) and an uncountable number of civilian deaths-Iran's retaliation was against purely military sites with zero civilian deaths.
     The world can see very clearly who the terrorists and their enablers are. Not only the Zionists are finished but the enablers of Empire (US/UK and various vassal states) are also about to lose their status. Anyone still acting as apologists for the Zionists and their enablers is beyond redemption.
     Iran's attack, the success of which is all over X and telegram channels with footage, has demonstrated that Iran can hit anywhere in the Zionist entity. The missiles took minutes from launch in Iran to impact in Israel. The Israelis cannot defend against these missiles. Iran can send 10/20 times more next time. The Zionists have no way to protect the vital infrastructure against an Iranian attack. Haifa desalination and chemical plant could easily be destroyed with the resultant consequences, as could Dimona Nuclear power plant and Ben Gurion airport and all the seaports. The Zios are becoming increasingly exposed and isolated. Their crimes repulse the world. 
     Nasrallah may be martyred now but his prediction of Israel not reaching 80 is looking increasingly likely.

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Israel waits until the schools are full of kids and traumatised families seeking refuge before sending their missiles. One of most evil regimes in the world. Should have stuck with the moderate who was assassinated. Doubt we we oilf be here we are now if they had.

    And then Western leaders and media talking heads rattle on about Israel's "right to self defence".  Tens of thousands of children killed and not a word of condemnation. Pager attacks injuring and killing medical staff and children amongst others celebrated in the West as innovative. It is the definition of terrorism and the reaction from western states media and governments is a demonstration of the depths to which the West has sunk. This would have been unequivocally condemned by all as little as ten years ago. Israel's assassination of Nasrallah along with half a dozen or so tower blocks leading to uncounted civilian deaths in their hundreds, again not a word of condemnation.
     Iran's attack on Israel's military facilities, currently being used to effect this genocide, in contrast is within all bounds of international law. The Israeli assassination of Ismail Haniyeh in Tehran recently was an attack on Iranian sovereignty recognised in international law and raised by Iran at the UNSC. Their response, on military targets alone, entirely proportionate and with zero civilian deaths.
     Western leaders and media all immediately condemn Iran for their "escalation". The West is discrediting itself in front of the world. I have long believed and stated that Western Empire will be defeated "by a thousand cuts" as that is the only way to bring down such a beast with as minimal damage as possible. We are approaching critical mass rapidly.

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Pure fantasy

Insiders account of Iran's attack on two Israeli strategic sites.. '15 out of 17 missiles got through'.

https://thecradle.co/articles/delivering-a-true-promise-an-insider-account-of-irans-strikes-on-israel?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR0zcdy6WoB3GAVrtEFzr9lq5Nqx_g7qX3gH8MYAqOEqHoEY3_GyRyG_qgs_aem_AbhJr9kTQYy-FE33aI7E99A_tD8XCdIW22eNMxI9_XNWCUKYipf3Z46sCCXZNGlJtLlwzA3exE5cqmlAi028osoO

     https://x.com/squatsons/status/1841548683566821424

     Israel air bases covered by a digital cloud today in order to prevent satellite photos being taken. Iran have done significant damage.

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Iran missile attack on Israeli school: https://youtu.be/P28HIKs6bhI

   If the damage was from an Iranian missile then there would be a crater. The damage is clearly from a misfired air defence system. Funny that he didn't do his "report" from the Nevatim air base which he mentioned in his report that was hit in rapid succession by a dozen or so missiles;

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/uIB28MBDujw

   as evidenced all over foreign media and social media. The damage shown to the school by the Sky propagandist, masquerading as a journalist, is not consistent with missile damage. Anyone can see this.

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     Professor Marandi dismantles Sky propagandist, Mark Austin, calmly, eloquently and with a knowing smile. Excellent stuff;

https://x.com/5Pillarsuk/status/1841456226434998472

[Hardy Boy]

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Where have I stated this was a "massive attack"? Stop moving the goal posts and putting words in my mouth that I never said.

Its obvious from the before and after satellite photos that the s-300 radar has been struck and the surrounding missile nodes removed. Why do you think what was once a radar is situated in the centre of large patch black soot? 🤡


As for what weapon/aircraft was used why do you expect me to be privy to such information? Israel is not going to confirm or deny what happened. The Iranians will probably deduce what it was from the debris, but they wont go public with that information either.

If I were the Ayatollah, I'd be reading the fine print in the warranties for those Russian surface to air missile systems.

The one's that got through i think they let by all accounts?  Imagine what they will be like once their Laser project is up and running?

Although some missiles appeared to breach Israeli defences, Prof Clarke claimed this could have been a deliberate decision by the IDF to 'let go' the missiles that weren't deemed a major threat.

Describing the Iron Dome and it's effectiveness, he told Sky News: 'It's really important to understand when we're trying to talk about how effectively the Iron Dome – Israel's defence system works.

'What they do is they track incoming missiles and if they think that the missile is going to land in a place that doesn't matter they just let it go.

'There's no point in using a very expensive air defence missile against something that is going to fall into the middle of the desert.

'The whole of the Iron Dome system is built on a very sophisticated monitoring system and they work out which missiles they need to intercept and which missiles they just let go.

'And so when the Iranians claims 'lots of missiles have landed' some of them probably will have – but some of them will have probably landed in the middle of nowhere and the Israelis will have just let them go.'

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The one's that got through i think they let by all accounts?  Imagine what they will be like once their Laser project is up and running?

Although some missiles appeared to breach Israeli defences, Prof Clarke claimed this could have been a deliberate decision by the IDF to 'let go' the missiles that weren't deemed a major threat.

Describing the Iron Dome and it's effectiveness, he told Sky News: 'It's really important to understand when we're trying to talk about how effectively the Iron Dome – Israel's defence system works.

'What they do is they track incoming missiles and if they think that the missile is going to land in a place that doesn't matter they just let it go.

'There's no point in using a very expensive air defence missile against something that is going to fall into the middle of the desert.

'The whole of the Iron Dome system is built on a very sophisticated monitoring system and they work out which missiles they need to intercept and which missiles they just let go.

'And so when the Iranians claims 'lots of missiles have landed' some of them probably will have – but some of them will have probably landed in the middle of nowhere and the Israelis will have just let them go.'

   

     Prof Clarke is either a fool or a propagandist, HB. Iron Dome didn't "allow" anything through and we know this for a fact because the Iron Dome is only designed to intercept slow moving rockets such as the unguided and crude Hamas rockets or Katyushas. It cannot and doesn't intercept hypersonic or ballistic missiles as it isn't capable. Longer range missiles are handled by either the Arrow System or David's Sling. Iron Dome didn't let through the Iranian missiles and any claims otherwise are just lies and cope. Iran have demonstrated Israel vulnerability and there is nothing Israel can do to counter this threat. Nor can the Western sponsors of their Middle East colony.
     Check out the info above for yourself, HB, and you will discover that Prof Clarke either doesn't know what he is talking about or a liar. Iron Dome doesn't and can't intercept the  hypersonic missiles sent by Iran.

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The one's that got through i think they let by all accounts?  Imagine what they will be like once their Laser project is up and running?

    The above is a mix of cope and wishful thinking, HB.

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    https://x.com/imetatronink/status/1841285332706394371

     US destroyers in the region using their ABM's in an attempt to intercept Iranian missiles. And we are to believe that Israel "turned off" the Iron Dome, which isn't relevant in the circumstances anyway. Sky News isn't real news, HB, it is crude propaganda. So crude that they don't even bother to make their lies credible.

[David1819]

The one's that got through i think they let by all accounts?  Imagine what they will be like once their Laser project is up and running?

Although some missiles appeared to breach Israeli defences, Prof Clarke claimed this could have been a deliberate decision by the IDF to 'let go' the missiles that weren't deemed a major threat.

Describing the Iron Dome and it's effectiveness, he told Sky News: 'It's really important to understand when we're trying to talk about how effectively the Iron Dome – Israel's defence system works.

I don't believe Iron Dome played much of a role if any. The kind of missiles Iran used in the latest strike would have been intercepted by David's Sling and Arrow 3. 

Iron beam is an interesting development. Similar laser systems are in development that will be mounted to aircraft carriers and F-35s. It's the future of air defence.

[Roch]

I wonder how many got through in reality.

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Iron beam is an interesting development. Similar laser systems are in development that will be mounted to aircraft carriers and F-35s. It's the future of air defence.

    Do you imagine that the not yet developed Iron "Dream" Beam can intercept hypersonic missiles?

    "Disadvantages of energy weapons include the requirement for the beam to penetrate the atmosphere; clouds may prevent use. The beam must be held on the target, which may be spinning, for several seconds (the "dwell time") before enough energy is delivered to destroy it. This makes it difficult to stop a barrage of several missiles even if the system is effective, so that volley fire of interceptors continues to be required. There is also the possibility of rockets being sheathed in heat-resistant material to withstand an energy beam for longer.[10] Energy weapons may be more effective against slower-flying drones, with relatively delicate rotors, control flaps, and guidance systems vulnerable to shorter laser attack, than fast rockets. This technology may also prove effective against paratroopers"

     The dream beam will remain just a dream.

[David1819]

I wonder how many got through in reality.

One hangar at the Nevatim airbase was hit. You can see the hole in the roof in the middle right.

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/10/03/734470/Palestine-Iran-Israel-missile-attack-Nevatim-satellite-images

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I wonder how many got through in reality.

    90% got through. Israel nor the western powers have the tech to intercept hypersonics, Roch. There is ample footage of dozens of missiles landing with none intercepted. This attack was a huge step up from the previous attack which used mostly slow drones and subsonic missiles. You may wonder, and ought to, why it was that Iran used only slow drones and subsonic missiles that were almost certain to be mostly shot down in their previous retaliation.
     The previous swarm attack forced the Israelis and allies to "show their hand" in terms of Air Defence, or at least a substantial part of the map. Patriot systems in Jordan, RAF jets flying from RAF Akrotiri(Cyprus) and US Navy destroyers as well as locations of AD in Israel. The slow drones and missiles by swarming the defences and eliciting the required response also allowed the few more precise and faster missiles to reach their target as well as mapping Israeli AD. Much the same game is played by NATO with their drone and missile provocations into Russia. It is worth adding, however, that Russia has huge strategic depth and the Zionists don't.
     A further part of the strategy of escalations in the attacks demonstrated by Iran is spelt out explicitly and the message is received by those who need to receive it.

 First attack- 200 or so projectiles that can be intercepted, with a dozen or so thrown in that can't be intercepted. Result-minimal damage but carrying the implicit and also explicitly spelt out warning that next time it might be 200 or so exclusively non interceptible missiles.

  Second attack- 200 or so exclusively non interceptible missiles(who could have seen that) targeting exclusively military targets and avoiding civilian and infrastructure. Result- more extensive damage than previously but none to vital infrastructure but carrying the implicit and again explicitly spelt out warning that next time it could be a magnitude greater(2,000 or so non interceptible missiles aimed at Dimona, Haifa chemical and de-salination plants as well as US military bases in the ME should they intervene.)

    The Zionists and their sponsors are reaching the end of the road. Victory isn't counted by how many civilians you slaughter or hospitals you bomb. They are being defeated militarily, economically and diplomatically. The side that celebrates the slaughter of innocents is not the side that is winning.
     
     
     

[David1819]

    Do you imagine that the not yet developed Iron "Dream" Beam can intercept hypersonic missiles?

Yes.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/science/article/3256181/flying-naked-chinese-scientists-find-laser-weapons-can-strip-coating-hypersonic-missiles-unexpected