Iranian Strike

[gringo]

I'm sure no attack happened in your Tankie fantasy world. And I suggest you keep this fantasy world to yourself before you make an even bigger 🤡 of yourself. And on top of that seek professional help.

     Israel's genocidal attacks in Palestine meanwhile continue unabated. Have you nothing to say about the evidenced, filmed attacks on civilians by the IDF? Acting as an apologist and dissembler of lies on behalf of a regime currently genociding the civilian population of Palestine, as you do, ignoring their crimes which are broadcast all over social media daily shows that you are not a serious person and incapable of honest debate on geopolitical issues.
     Were you serious then you would answer the now thrice repeated question asking for the details of the attack that you allege occurred. It shouldn't be a "trick question". You shouldn't need to avoid it and post insults and clown faces as a response rather than answering what should be a simple question. That you can't reply coherently to what should be an easy question, tells me that you have no coherent answer.

[David1819]

     Israel's genocidal attacks in Palestine meanwhile continue unabated. Have you nothing to say about the evidenced, filmed attacks on civilians by the IDF? Acting as an apologist and dissembler of lies on behalf of a regime currently genociding the civilian population of Palestine, as you do, ignoring their crimes which are broadcast all over social media daily shows that you are not a serious person and incapable of honest debate on geopolitical issues.
     Were you serious then you would answer the now thrice repeated question asking for the details of the attack that you allege occurred. It shouldn't be a "trick question". You shouldn't need to avoid it and post insults and clown faces as a response rather than answering what should be a simple question. That you can't reply coherently to what should be an easy question, tells me that you have no coherent answer.

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[ngb1066]

My main gripe was about the Police [MET] NGB, he should never have said the things he said and stopped free movement of any Person.  I have mixed feelings about Demo's week in and week out NGB, i know the miners did Demonstrations, but they wasn't week in and week out, in London, i actually went on the one to Downing Street,  and it was very peaceful from what i can remember.  But i don't mind Demo's, but when its in the same City's week in and week out i don't think it's fair on the general Public, as a whole and certainly the Jewish community in London, doesn't matter what we think, but they must sometimes feel intimidated by it,  there is no hiding from the fact it is about them.

I agree about the Daily Mail, i don't always look at it,  but i look at  the Sport and it is free online 

I have looked further into this HB and all is not as it was first presented.  It is worth watching the full video clip which puts what happened into context:  https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104.  Having viewed this it is clear that the police overall handled this extremely well.  The person involved is a well known provocateur and a militant Zionist, determined to create an incident for his own purposes.  He was very lucky not to be arrested - if any of the pro- Palestinian people in the area had behaved liked this (including pushing one of the police officers) he would undoubtedly have been arrested.  The words used by one of the police officers were ill chosen but he was dealing with a difficult situation where the person involved was clearly intent on creating a violent interaction with the demonstrators.  The Mail and other news outlets only showed a short clip which was entirely out of context.  All credit to Sky News was publishing the entire 13 minute clip.  The individual concerned has a history of this - I may post more in due course.  I certainly hope that none of the police officers concerned face disciplinary action because in this instance they do not deserve it.  I also hope the Met Police Commissioner stands firm.   

[Hardy Boy]

I have looked further into this HB and all is not as it was first presented.  It is worth watching the full video clip which puts what happened into context:  https://news.sky.com/story/sky-news-footage-reveals-new-details-of-exchange-between-police-and-antisemitism-campaigner-called-openly-jewish-13120104.  Having viewed this it is clear that the police overall handled this extremely well.  The person involved is a well known provocateur and a militant Zionist, determined to create an incident for his own purposes.  He was very lucky not to be arrested - if any of the pro- Palestinian people in the area had behaved liked this (including pushing one of the police officers) he would undoubtedly have been arrested.  The words used by one of the police officers were ill chosen but he was dealing with a difficult situation where the person involved was clearly intent on creating a violent interaction with the demonstrators.  The Mail and other news outlets only showed a short clip which was entirely out of context.  All credit to Sky News was publishing the entire 13 minute clip.  The individual concerned has a history of this - I may post more in due course.  I certainly hope that none of the police officers concerned face disciplinary action because in this instance they do not deserve it.  I also hope the Met Police Commissioner stands firm.

Hi NGB, iv'e been away for weekend and yes i did pick up about him being well known for his Millitant behaviour. And i agree it was stage managed,  I did watch last night the Police was getting praised for how they delt with it overall and even though the words chosen were totally wrong,  overall they was put in a difficult position.  But these marches are happening week in and week out, i have to spare a thought for the Jewish population in London, who probably are having to avoid such area's, i wouldn't want to be Jewish and walking through London now with my wife and Children,  also the fact, the resources it is taking to Police these Demo's in different city's when these officers should be out there fighting crime, and to be honest NGB after all this, i think it will have serious repercussions in the future for peaceful demonstrations?

I think the MET should be putting the Public Order act 1986 in to better use, it gives them powers to limit the number of People involved and they can change the route and limit duration.  Imagine working hard all week and then you go into your City to be confronted week in and week out with these sort of Demo's and someone blurting out "from the river to the sea" to the sound of drums beating.

[Roch]

That bloke has one of those faces you just want to smack.

[ngb1066]

That bloke has one of those faces you just want to smack.

If you read more about him you will want to smack him hard!  Have a look at his stunt with the van, and the false evidence he gave in court against a civil servant a couple of years ago.  He is also UK representative of a particularly unpleasant Israeli organisation.  He attends every London Palestine demo with his posse and provokes in the hope of getting a violent or abusive reaction so that he can use the video to promote his "Jews are not safe in London" propaganda. 

[Roch]

If you read more about him you will want to smack him hard!  Have a look at his stunt with the van, and the false evidence he gave in court against a civil servant a couple of years ago.  He is also UK representative of a particularly unpleasant Israeli organisation.  He attends every London Palestine demo with his posse and provokes in the hope of getting a violent or abusive reaction so that he can use the video to promote his "Jews are not safe in London" propaganda.

I'll take your word for it ngb.  I tell you what, that Suella Braverman is another awful individual.  Where do they keep getting them from?

[Hardy Boy]

That bloke has one of those faces you just want to smack.

Forget the face Roch, it doesn't matter whoever it was and he is Jewish, he would have been treated the same.  It's a matter of being able to walk the streets safely and this guy, i accept he's trying to get a police reaction, but he's demonstarting and highlighting the problem Jews are facing.  Forget your stance for one minute and put yourself into this picture with your wife and kids, it's not right week in week out that they are having to face this, that's all i'm saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cimR_AxaYxs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_LO3KJvu8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYOlCwSyylI

People should be able to walk the streets safely Roch.

[Roch]

Forget the face Roch, it doesn't matter whoever it was and he is Jewish, he would have been treated the same.  It's a matter of being able to walk the streets safely and this guy, i accept he's trying to get a police reaction, but he's demonstarting and highlighting the problem Jews are facing.  Forget your stance for one minute and put yourself into this picture with your wife and kids, it's not right week in week out that they are having to face this, that's all i'm saying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cimR_AxaYxs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-_LO3KJvu8

People should be able to walk the streets safely Roch.

There's a big Jewish community up our way HB, in Gateshead.  There is a talmudical college there it might be famous. I've not heard of any issues up here.  Whatever protests there may have been seem to have remained trouble free. However, not all Jewish communities necessarily support Zionism. I'm not sure where the Gateshead community stands but they are orthodox Jews.

[Hardy Boy]

There's a big Jewish community up our way HB, in Gateshead.  There is a talmudical college there it might be famous. I've not heard of any issues up here.  Whatever protests there may have been seem to have remained trouble free. However, not all Jewish communities necessarily support Zionism. I'm not sure where the Gateshead community stands but they are orthodox Jews.

I was up that way at the weekend, Durham, Consett and Otterburn

[Hardy Boy]

There's a big Jewish community up our way HB, in Gateshead.  There is a talmudical college there it might be famous. I've not heard of any issues up here.  Whatever protests there may have been seem to have remained trouble free. However, not all Jewish communities necessarily support Zionism. I'm not sure where the Gateshead community stands but they are orthodox Jews.

I'm talking about London and the City's Roch, i'm sure there are Jews around here who are not affected.

[Roch]

I was up that way at the weekend, Durham, Consett and Otterburn

Bit of a triangle there HB.

[Hardy Boy]

Bit of a triangle there HB.

Yes, really enjoyed it Roch, it reminded me of the Peak District a little, without the hills   

[David1819]

Satellite photos suggest Iran air defense radar struck in Isfahan during apparent Israeli attack.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/satellite-photos-suggest-iran-air-defense-radar-struck-in-isfahan-during-apparent-israeli-attack/

[gringo]

Satellite photos suggest Iran air defense radar struck in Isfahan during apparent Israeli attack.

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/satellite-photos-suggest-iran-air-defense-radar-struck-in-isfahan-during-apparent-israeli-attack/

    "suggest"- this is pathetic in terms of evidence of anything.

https://twitter.com/ME_Observer_/status/1782506807157563742

https://twitter.com/WarWatchs/status/1782492795992682809

    Both of the above links have clearer imagery that show no damage. Your evidence of this "massive attack" is remarkably light on both detail and evidence. Your evidence so far has consisted of anonymous quotes given to Fox News and some satellite photos that a reporter claims "suggest" an Iranian radar was struck. What damage exactly is "suggested" by this image? You have failed to give any details of this attack despite repeated requests. You have no details. How can you display such certainty that an attack happened despite having zero information about the nature of the attack?