Barbara De"ath discussing sea wall

[Adam]

To be fair this may not be a lie -

'Families would go to their vans and spend the entire holidays there. Fathers would either travel back and forth to work or stay from Friday night to Sunday night there. Children would be up late; barbeques were a group affair where several families would get together and party sometimes till the early hours.

This is why I dismiss the police claim'. 

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However Bamber's route is between 1.4 - over 5 miles away.

[ILB]

She means Bambers route.

De'ath is a witness of truth.

[Adam]

She means Bambers route.

De'ath is a witness of truth.

Even you know the residents of the Osea Leisure Park would not travel 5 miles to have a BBQ. 

You said there was no light on Bamber's route.

[ILB]

Even you know the residents of the Osea Leisure Park would not travel 5 miles to have a BBQ. 

You said there was no light on Bamber's route

Nightfisher men use torches and portable lighting self explanatory.

You keep referring back to osea all the time.

De'ath is on about Bambers route.

[ILB]

Obviously this is an elderly woman who may be shocked by a random guy messaging her over a Facebook account.

Adam quite rightly says she may not respond. If she doesn't I believe it will be because she may be spooked to answer by a random message. Not because she is lying.

To be honest she might not be interested at all anymore. She may be pro guilt for all I know.

However I will message her and if she replies to me I will with her permission share the response.

She may even be a member on here for all I know.

[Jane]

Nightfisher men use torches and portable lighting self explanatory.

You keep referring back to osea all the time.

De'ath is on about Bambers route.

Quite contrary to BD's claim that JB's night time cycle ride wasn't possible, we have RB's assertion that such is exactly what happened. Who would have known best? A townie who was only there for holidays, or a life long countryman?

[ILB]

Quite contrary to BD's claim that JB's night time cycle ride wasn't possible, we have RB's assertion that such is exactly what happened. Who would have known best? A townie who was only there for holidays, or a life long countryman?

RB didn't like Jeremy. Whether that be justified or not. He didn't.

I'm not going to say " fit him up" but it's obviously from the outset he was trying to change the police directive. I'd wager from the first moment they saw him at bourtree they believed he had done it. This is before the silencer discovery.

How much knowledge did RB have of people on the sea wall at night, I'm guessing the same as BD, Difference is RB had an interest in Jeremy getting convicted. He wasn't exactly neutral.

How far was RBs farm? Am I right it was called carbonells?

[Adam]

Nightfisher men use torches and portable lighting self explanatory.

You keep referring back to osea all the time.

De'ath is on about Bambers route.

That is because she is referring to the caravan park.

So you agree no one would travel to Bamber's route for a BBQ at 2am.

It is just about these mysterious night fishermen.

If she saw night fishermen at 2am, she then needs to say what she was doing there.

[ILB]

That is because she is referring to the caravan park.

So you agree no one would travel to Bamber's route for a BBQ at 2am.

It is just about these mysterious night fishermen.

If she saw night fishermen at 2am, she then needs to say what she was doing there.

I have no idea if people would pitch tents, have a BBQ, teenagers out messing around or anything. It's quite possible along with night fishermen as de'ath states. The 80s were different times. It was also the height of the summer.

[Adam]

I have no idea if people would pitch tents, have a BBQ, teenagers out messing around or anything. It's quite possible along with night fishermen as de'ath states. The 80s were different times. It was also the height of the summer.

You said there was no light there.

[Jane]

RB didn't like Jeremy. Whether that be justified or not. He didn't.

I'm not going to say " fit him up" but it's obviously from the outset he was trying to change the police directive. I'd wager from the first moment they saw him at bourtree they believed he had done it. This is before the silencer discovery.

How much knowledge did RB have of people on the sea wall at night, I'm guessing the same as DB. Difference is RB had an interest in Jeremy getting convicted. He wasn't exactly neutral.

How far was RBs farm? Am I right it was called carbonells?

It was called Carbonells...............and it was very much closer, in distance, than BD's East End of London home.

Who do you think would be the more likely to be taken seriously? RB, a well respected, local figure, who'd known the area longer than he'd known JB, or a holiday maker who had little more than an impression of JB, and probably only knew the area with the parameters of the camp site?

[Adam]

Obviously this is an elderly woman who may be shocked by a random guy messaging her over a Facebook account.

Adam quite rightly says she may not respond. If she doesn't I believe it will be because she may be spooked to answer by a random message. Not because she is lying.

To be honest she might not be interested at all anymore. She may be pro guilt for all I know.

However I will message her and if she replies to me I will with her permission share the response.

She may even be a member on here for all I know.

Can't see why she would not answer a question about Bamber. She is interested in the case.

Usually a person needs to accept a friend request before you can message them on FB.

[ILB]

Can't see why she would not answer a question about Bamber. She is interested in the case.

Usually a person needs to accept a friend request before you can message them on FB.

I believe it goes to the spam folder.

[ILB]

You said there was no light there.

That is correct

Artificial lighting solves that problem.

You know this.

Or campfires.

[ILB]

It was called Carbonells...............and it was very much closer, in distance, than BD's East End of London home.

Who do you think would be the more likely to be taken seriously? RB, a well respected, local figure, who'd known the area longer than he'd known JB, or a holiday maker who had little more than an impression of JB, and probably only knew the area with the parameters of the camp site?

Evidently RB.

However I don't believe de'ath was ever a potential witness in the first instance.