Inspector D Burrell 13/09/85

[Steve_uk]

"Yes, Sheila was in the kitchen when the Raid Team entered WHF. 5 independent reports and 3 subsequent statements we have confirm this."

Where are the reports and statements?

If she shot herself in the master bedroom after shooting herself in the kitchen and managing to struggle upstairs and  Police entered 45 seconds later why is there dried cracked blood on her face as related by Peter Vanezis?

[Caroline]

"Yes, Sheila was in the kitchen when the Raid Team entered WHF. 5 independent reports and 3 subsequent statements we have confirm this."

Where are the reports and statements?

If she shot herself in the master bedroom after shooting herself in the kitchen and managing to struggle upstairs and  Police entered 45 seconds later why is there dried cracked blood on her face as related by Peter Vanezis?

I have asked this question MANY times - it's one the innocent side can't answer. Had she been alive for long after the first shot, she would surely have expirated blood on her face - there's none.

[lookout]

Dried cracked blood denotes a thin layer that has trickled and would have been quick to dry rather than a large volume. The warm atmosphere inside the farmhouse would have helped the drying-----plus,in normal,healthy humans,the bleeding time which would have been the normal ratio clotting time ( 0.8-1.1 ) also played a part while she'd still have been breathing,just.
Because Sheila had been supine,the overflow of blood in her mouth would have just trickled each side,obviously while deceased, where the heart no longer pumps.

[notsure]

I have asked this question MANY times - it's one the innocent side can't answer. Had she been alive for long after the first shot, she would surely have expirated blood on her face - there's none.

Yes but how do we account for sightings of one dead male and one dead female, not once but several.

[lookout]

I have asked this question MANY times - it's one the innocent side can't answer. Had she been alive for long after the first shot, she would surely have expirated blood on her face - there's none.

Being on her back,the blood would have also flowed backwards down into her gut.

[Caroline]

Being on her back,the blood would have also flowed backwards down into her gut.

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

[lookout]

Not sure what that has to do with anything.

Isn't it self explanatory ? Ever tried coughing when on your back ?

[Caroline]

Isn't it self explanatory ? Ever tried coughing when on your back ?

She didn't cough because there is no evidence of spluttering so, if she had been alive, she would have chocked.

[lookout]

She didn't cough because there is no evidence of spluttering so, if she had been alive, she would have chocked.

You mentioned about there being no expirated blood-------so I answered. If she'd been already dead,there'd have been no choking mechanism.

[Caroline]

You mentioned about there being no expirated blood-------so I answered. If she'd been already dead,there'd have been no choking mechanism.

She was dead and had been dead for some time because the blood around her mouth was dried and cracked.

[lookout]

She was dead and had been dead for some time because the blood around her mouth was dried and cracked.

I know that,though what you mean for " some time " is questionable because a thin veil of blood dries a lot quicker/sooner than if it had been in clots/globules. That blood was an overflow which trickled THINLY at each side of her mouth and would have dried quickly in the warm atmosphere. 

[Caroline]

I know that,though what you mean for " some time " is questionable because a thin veil of blood dries a lot quicker/sooner than if it had been in clots/globules. That blood was an overflow which trickled THINLY at each side of her mouth and would have dried quickly in the warm atmosphere.

What I am saying is that blood couldn't have dried round her moth with no signs of like (and you agree that had she been alive, she'd have chocked) but still be flowing from a wound on her neck. For blood to flow from a wound (especially when someone is on their back) the heart would need to be pumping.

[lookout]

What I am saying is that blood couldn't have dried round her moth with no signs of like (and you agree that had she been alive, she'd have chocked) but still be flowing from a wound on her neck. For blood to flow from a wound (especially when someone is on their back) the heart would need to be pumping.

I was only referring to Sheila's mouth and not her neck. But you didn't agree that any blood was pumping from her neck ?
Where there's an outlet of blood pouring from it,tells me that she hadn't been dead that long or it would have been plugged, with the surplus blood settling within her body until disturbed.
Only while alive would the blood have been pumping out of her neck.

[Caroline]

I was only referring to Sheila's mouth and not her neck. But you didn't agree that any blood was pumping from her neck ?
Where there's an outlet of blood pouring from it,tells me that she hadn't been dead that long or it would have been plugged, with the surplus blood settling within her body until disturbed.
Only while alive would the blood have been pumping out of her neck.

Not going through this again. It's pointless.

[Reader]

It's my prerogative to argue that Neville phoned them . . .

He may well have telephoned the police, but there's nothing to suggest he made a 999 call to do that. It appears to me that you're not saying that he made a 999 call.