Robert Spencer: The Palestinian Delusion

[Steve_uk]

Some more home truths for supporters of the two-state solution. https://youtu.be/hWvczCe07iw

[David1819]

I support a two state solution. So long as it has a secular government that can keep extremism and violence at bay.

[Steve_uk]

I support a two state solution. So long as it has a secular government that can keep extremism and violence at bay.

I used to be of that view. But any Palestinian state would just be a launching pad for jihad. Look at Gaza for proof.

[gringo]

Some more home truths for supporters of the two-state solution. https://youtu.be/hWvczCe07iw

    Home truths? 
      First question to "Author and Islam expert, Robert Spencer" (A Zionist Jew) 
      "I was reading in the book of Zacchariah and it said that the land would be desolate and if somebody walks across it there will be nobody there and we understand that-The famous humorist who pointed out the fact that he  went and looked in the early days and there was nobody living in that land. It was completely empty. Where do those Palestinians come from?

     The very first question in your link denies the Palestinians exist. The land was empty . There is little wonder that the conclusion is that no two state solution is possible if you deny the existence of the original inhabitants. Spencer's reply,

    "They all came from the surrounding lands"- The colonisers who did come from the surrounding lands making this claim is just breathtaking.
    Anyway he goes on, "some from as far away as Armenia and you can tell this from their surnames that often give the indication of where their families are from and you're right, they're not from that area."
     Talk about projection and chutzpah. I gave up at that point, Steve. The false premises and lies made any conclusions redundant. And you call that, "Home Truths". Unbelievable that anyone can watch and take seriously such fact free nonsense.

[gringo]

I used to be of that view. But any Palestinian state would just be a launching pad for jihad. Look at Gaza for proof.

   Well that is the purpose of the Zionist state. A launch pad for Zionist/Western terror. Gaza simply proves that stealing land and terrorising and oppressing the people that you stole the land from leads to resistance. If you watch and take seriously the ignorance and racism displayed in the link you posted then you show yourself as misinformed. No such thing as Palestinians!? Nobody lived in Palestine!? No wonder you believe they are terrorists if you also believe that they never lived there and don't really exist as a people. You should be embarrassed at posting such unhinged drivel.

[Steve_uk]

    Home truths? 
      First question to "Author and Islam expert, Robert Spencer" (A Zionist Jew) 
      "I was reading in the book of Zacchariah and it said that the land would be desolate and if somebody walks across it there will be nobody there and we understand that-The famous humorist who pointed out the fact that he  went and looked in the early days and there was nobody living in that land. It was completely empty. Where do those Palestinians come from?

     The very first question in your link denies the Palestinians exist. The land was empty . There is little wonder that the conclusion is that no two state solution is possible if you deny the existence of the original inhabitants. Spencer's reply,

    "They all came from the surrounding lands"- The colonisers who did come from the surrounding lands making this claim is just breathtaking.
    Anyway he goes on, "some from as far away as Armenia and you can tell this from their surnames that often give the indication of where their families are from and you're right, they're not from that area."
     Talk about projection and chutzpah. I gave up at that point, Steve. The false premises and lies made any conclusions redundant. And you call that, "Home Truths". Unbelievable that anyone can watch and take seriously such fact free nonsense.

It's not like you to give up. Watch the full video.  Maybe thereafter you could comment on why the Palestinians allowed Gaza to become a launching pad for rocket attacks, why every negotiation since Jimmy Carter has failed and why they claim Jerusalem when there's no evidence Mohammed ever set foot there?

[Steve_uk]

   Well that is the purpose of the Zionist state. A launch pad for Zionist/Western terror. Gaza simply proves that stealing land and terrorising and oppressing the people that you stole the land from leads to resistance. If you watch and take seriously the ignorance and racism displayed in the link you posted then you show yourself as misinformed. No such thing as Palestinians!? Nobody lived in Palestine!? No wonder you believe they are terrorists if you also believe that they never lived there and don't really exist as a people. You should be embarrassed at posting such unhinged drivel.

The law is on the Jewish side, not the Palestinians. https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9d43847-5dc0-4017-9d58-5a2d70ed458b_505x355.jpeg?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

[Steve_uk]

One item of news will please some at least. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67859177

[gringo]

The law is on the Jewish side, not the Palestinians. https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb9d43847-5dc0-4017-9d58-5a2d70ed458b_505x355.jpeg?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

     A map representing the 1922 Palestinian mandate is the "law", is it Steve? What about it makes it, "the law"? What "law" does this map supposedly represent? Explain. Linking a map and making a dumb statement convinces no-one.

[Steve_uk]

     A map representing the 1922 Palestinian mandate is the "law", is it Steve? What about it makes it, "the law"? What "law" does this map supposedly represent? Explain. Linking a map and making a dumb statement convinces no-one.

The League of Nations, superseded by the United Nations in 1945. Then there was Resolution 181. The question you have to answer is why the Palestinians have rejected every offer on the table put to them. https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

[gringo]

It's not like you to give up. Watch the full video.  Maybe thereafter you could comment on why the Palestinians allowed Gaza to become a launching pad for rocket attacks, why every negotiation since Jimmy Carter has failed and why they claim Jerusalem when there's no evidence Mohammed ever set foot there?

   I watched the rest of it, or listened anyway. It was simply propaganda based on a series of false premises. No recognition of any Zionist role, no recognition of the Palestinians as being from the land. Nothing good can come from a discussion based on a false premise. They cannot recognise themselves as the colonisers and ethnic cleansers that they demonstrably are. Their opinions are worthless because of this. Do you believe, as the interviewer and Spencer agree, that the Palestinians are not from Palestine at all and that the land was "empty"? It is an important point. Agreeing with the proposition outs you as ignorant and so misinformed that your views are unworthy of consideration. Admitting that the Palestinians are real and that they were ethnically cleansed in recorded and undisputed historical events makes the entire interview redundant.

[Steve_uk]

   I watched the rest of it, or listened anyway. It was simply propaganda based on a series of false premises. No recognition of any Zionist role, no recognition of the Palestinians as being from the land. Nothing good can come from a discussion based on a false premise. They cannot recognise themselves as the colonisers and ethnic cleansers that they demonstrably are. Their opinions are worthless because of this. Do you believe, as the interviewer and Spencer agree, that the Palestinians are not from Palestine at all and that the land was "empty"? It is an important point. Agreeing with the proposition outs you as ignorant and so misinformed that your views are unworthy of consideration. Admitting that the Palestinians are real and that they were ethnically cleansed in recorded and undisputed historical events makes the entire interview redundant.

But there were large parts of the area that were empty, such as the Negev desert. The Jews have lived in the region for 3500 years. Look what they have done with the modern state of Israel, in contrast to some of its neighbours.

[gringo]

The League of Nations, superseded by the United Nations in 1945. Then there was Resolution 181. The question you have to answer is why the Palestinians have rejected every offer on the table put to them. https://www.britannica.com/topic/United-Nations-Resolution-181

    I will start a thread, just for you Steve, to discuss the matter in depth. All the resolutions, mandates, negotiations, wars etc. You can display your in depth knowledge of all these matters including the context, whos, whys and whens. Or, much more likely, it will turn out that all you know about the subject is displayed in the post that I am replying to.
     You refer to things like this all the time despite clearly understanding nothing of the subjects you speak of. Who was in the United Nations when 181 passed? How many countries were in the UN? How many Arab states when this vote was held? What were the circumstances, context? There is a lot more to know about the matters you list than simply repeating nonsense. What are all these "offers" that the Palestinians rejected. What is the story? This is why you simply list a few things hoping it demonstrates knowledge-it doesn't. All it demonstrates is that you can repeat the soundbites fed to you by media in the mistaken belief that you are presenting anything coherent rather than following your training.

[gringo]

But there were large parts of the area that were empty, such as the Negev desert. The Jews have lived in the region for 3500 years. Look what they have done with the modern state of Israel, in contrast to some of its neighbours.

   The myth of making the desert bloom is just that, Steve, a myth. They stole Palestinian farms and turned them into Kibbutz. All of this is known. Israel is funded massively by the US/West. It is a western colony. Of course it is a modern state. Many of the surrounding states, those not bombed by the Zionists and their western enablers, are also modern. Jews living in the region are not the problem and weren't for most of those 3500 years. It is European/Ashkenazi Zionist Jews with their supremacist colonising mentality who are the issue. Those Jews from the region didn't spend their time attempting to ethnically cleanse and genocide everyone else. Only since the colonialist genociders arrived has this happened.

[Steve_uk]

    I will start a thread, just for you Steve, to discuss the matter in depth. All the resolutions, mandates, negotiations, wars etc. You can display your in depth knowledge of all these matters including the context, whos, whys and whens. Or, much more likely, it will turn out that all you know about the subject is displayed in the post that I am replying to.
     You refer to things like this all the time despite clearly understanding nothing of the subjects you speak of. Who was in the United Nations when 181 passed? How many countries were in the UN? How many Arab states when this vote was held? What were the circumstances, context? There is a lot more to know about the matters you list than simply repeating nonsense. What are all these "offers" that the Palestinians rejected. What is the story? This is why you simply list a few things hoping it demonstrates knowledge-it doesn't. All it demonstrates is that you can repeat the soundbites fed to you by media in the mistaken belief that you are presenting anything coherent rather than following your training.

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