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LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« on: November 28, 2023, 10:30:PM »
These are direct links to SM's court testimony, if one goes into the links they can access further, other transcripts from the trial. They tell a different tale from the narrative that has been in place for many years, exposing a myriad of lies, that false narrative in place by LM's chief campaigners?


10th January   https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-100105-transcript-day.html

12th January   https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-12012005.html

13th January   https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/shane-mitchell-full-transcript-13012005.html


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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2023, 10:35:PM »
Thanks Parky41

Haven't got time to read it at the moment. But looks very interesting.
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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2023, 06:44:PM »
Looks like you have all the transcripts Parky?

I found this interesting..

https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #3 on: November 29, 2023, 10:31:PM »
Looks like you have all the transcripts Parky?

I found this interesting..

https://lukemitchelltrialtranscripts.blogspot.com/2023/11/the-parka-jacket-and-witnesses.html

The transcripts have been obtained by avid Innocence supporters, top campaigners. Who are feeling pretty let down by the narrative they have been fed, the dishonesty. Only a handful been put up so far, even with that small selection there are many lies being exposed.

The parka was one such area.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2023, 06:04:PM »
The transcripts have been obtained by avid Innocence supporters, top campaigners. Who are feeling pretty let down by the narrative they have been fed, the dishonesty. Only a handful been put up so far, even with that small selection there are many lies being exposed.

The parka was one such area.
I can't see how this changes anything. Shane Mitchell is unable to give Luke an alibi, or have I got that wrong?

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #5 on: November 30, 2023, 06:57:PM »
I can't see how this changes anything. Shane Mitchell is unable to give Luke an alibi, or have I got that wrong?
Seemed to be that Shane couldn't swear one way or another if Luke was in the kitchen when he came down stairs at 5.15,but was 80% sure that Luke wasn't in the house or at least he didn't remember seeing him.
We have to remember that both Luke and Corrine passed the lie detector test,for what its worth.
Shane would be little use in a polygraph if his memory is addled with drug use as claimed.

If Luke was not in the house,it means he must have loitered about till around 6.20 when Shane left before entering the house.Oh well,that would tie in with burning the parka at 6.30 I suppose.

Would he have loitered in the streets without washing? I think Parky claims he washed in the river after the murders.I dont know the area,but he had about 25-30 minutes after Jodi was murdered before he was sighted at the end of the path.
Dont know why he loitered so long before going home after the murders though.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #6 on: November 30, 2023, 07:39:PM »
I suppose when you think about it,all of the sightings at the Newbattle side of the path are meaningless,either all the witnesse's were viewing Luke on his way home from killing Jodi or seeing him after he had left his mums house after having his supper.
It would only make a difference if someone saw Luke enter or leave his mothers house.

Tho only sighting that matters is that of Andrina Bryson,placing Luke at the Newhouses end of the path.
Without that sighting Luke would not have been found guilty.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #7 on: November 30, 2023, 07:53:PM »
I suppose when you think about it,all of the sightings at the Newbattle side of the path are meaningless,either all the witnesse's were viewing Luke on his way home from killing Jodi or seeing him after he had left his mums house after having his supper.
It would only make a difference if someone saw Luke enter or leave his mothers house.

Tho only sighting that matters is that of Andrina Bryson,placing Luke at the Newhouses end of the path.
Without that sighting Luke would not have been found guilty.

I agree with that, along with other circumstantial evidence.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #8 on: November 30, 2023, 08:38:PM »
You have to consider what would have been said between Shane and Corrine if Luke was not in the house at supper time.For instance,when they met in the kitchen at 5.15 did Corrine ask Shane where Luke was?
Was there any food waiting for them? If not,wouldn't it have stuck in Shane's mind that Luke was not in the house and there was no hot food for them? What did they eat,if not the tatties and steak pies?
Shane didn't leave again till 6.20,wasn't Lukes absence discussed at all?

Luke wasn't Shanes responsibility and his absence would not have caused any concern,but surely to god Corrine would have asked him why Luke wasn't home from school and why he hadn't made the supper?
Surely some sort of discussion happened.
And remember,at this stage neither Shane nor Corrine were aware of the murder,so Corrine couldn't have been trying to dupe Shane in any way to cover for Luke's absence.No,common sense tells us that some sort of discussion must have taken place between Shane and his mother if Luke wasn't there at supper time.
Does this point to Luke being present in the house at supper time after all? Hence no discussion of his absence or the fact that no supper was on the table took place.

After all,it wasn't in the least bit necessary for Shane to see or make contact with Luke at supper time,indeed it was made clear in court that they had little in common.No,the main thing would be Luke making contact with Corrine,which she has always said there was before he left at 5.40.A time when Shane may have been upstairs having his supper.And again,Luke and Corrine's polygraphs have to be taken into account.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #9 on: November 30, 2023, 08:53:PM »
You have to consider what would have been said between Shane and Corrine if Luke was not in the house at supper time.For instance,when they met in the kitchen at 5.15 did Corrine ask Shane where Luke was?
Was there any food waiting for them? If not,wouldn't it have stuck in Shane's mind that Luke was not in the house and there was no hot food for them? What did they eat,if not the tatties and steak pies?
Shane didn't leave again till 6.20,wasn't Lukes absence discussed at all?

Luke wasn't Shanes responsibility and his absence would not have caused any concern,but surely to god Corrine would have asked him why Luke wasn't home from school and why he hadn't made the supper?
Surely some sort of discussion happened.
And remember,at this stage neither Shane nor Corrine were aware of the murder,so Corrine couldn't have been trying to dupe Shane in any way to cover for Luke's absence.No,common sense tells us that some sort of discussion must have taken place between Shane and his mother if Luke wasn't there at supper time.
Does this point to Luke being present in the house at supper time after all? Hence no discussion of his absence or the fact that no supper was on the table took place.

After all,it wasn't in the least bit necessary for Shane to see or make contact with Luke at supper time,indeed it was made clear in court that they had little in common.No,the main thing would be Luke making contact with Corrine,which she has always said there was before he left at 5.40.A time when Shane may have been upstairs having his supper.And again,Luke and Corrine's polygraphs have to be taken into account.
An alibi given by a mother for a son is nigh on worthless. I haven't noticed Shane in the mass media being vocal about his brother's innocence either.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #10 on: November 30, 2023, 09:01:PM »
An alibi given by a mother for a son is nigh on worthless. I haven't noticed Shane in the mass media being vocal about his brother's innocence either.
Is the polygraph worthless Steve?

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #11 on: November 30, 2023, 09:52:PM »
Is the polygraph worthless Steve?
It can be faked, yes. Ask Gary Ridgway.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #12 on: December 02, 2023, 10:16:AM »
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It's been stated by Mr Forbes and his followers that these details are trivial - actually, I'm finding that some of the fundamental points that convinced me of the guilt of others, weren't even true. That's not trivial, by any means.
6:21 PM ยท Nov 27, 2023

Ok, so this is what I meant about a false narrative in place, the exposure of many lies, which leaves the question, 'If this is what we are discovering here then what else has been manipulated and lied about?' It would seem that both SL and SF's were under the impression, safeguard even, of believing transcripts would never be made public, still under the safeguard of this being the case with statements in full? Attempting repeatedly to try and stop people from obtaining them? 

I first started commenting on this case because of lies I knew were in place. I took to studying what had been put out, intricately. Which was never around guilt/innocence. The ludicrous application of some giant conspiracy just to fit LM up. Therefore I set myself a question, an area to study around. Why did suspicion fall upon LM, why could he not be eliminated as suspect in the young girls murder? Realism and not fallacy.

The alibi - If SM, genuinely, within such a short period of time, had complete amnesia from the moment he finished work, then that is what he clearly should have stuck with? Is it really believable however, that someones memory was selective in what was lost? Which was around that crucial time of day. What of his alibi? Was it, that after playing the 'I cannot remember,' did he realise, wait a minute, I am going to need an alibi here also? There we have the birth of the story of them all being together, interacting with each other? Whilst perhaps trying to evade what he had been doing, thinking at first perhaps, my watching porn and masturbating has nothing to do with the young girls murder, but it did, even in its simplest form, he also required an alibi? Strength in numbers?

Compare - If he had no amnesia, why would he have initially played the cannot remember card? Did this show that SM was not wanting directly involved in that alibi for his brother? Wanting to be part of becoming entangled in lying for him, therefore lying by omission instead? He may very well have been aware of far more and wanting nothing to do with it. It doesn't necessarily point towards believing his younger brother had murdered someone, but certainly that he was not home.

All in all, it really is a tangled mess of lies, it doesn't matter which way you swing it - LM was clearly not home at that point. The original alibi ran from 5:05pm until 5:40pm, it was CCTV and phone logs that showed those times to be completely wrong. We have CM arriving home just after 5:15pm, SM's internet session ending at 5:16pm, we have LM saying he had made the call from the wall at the entrance of the estate, first call at 5:32pm. The original alibi around 35mins, evaporated to around 13mins, which did not fit around that evenly spaced out, very relaxed dinner tale.

Porn and masturbating - Does not just take place in an empty house. It does however bring with it awareness. We are conscious to the presence of others, alert to any noise/movement, alert to any risk of being caught/interrupted. What the AD was demonstrating, was that it was never simply that he may not have seen his brother, he had not seen him, nor heard him. Clearly hearing his mother arriving home and ending his internet session. LM claimed to have been listening to music whilst making dinner.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #13 on: December 02, 2023, 10:38:AM »
Ok, so this is what I meant about a false narrative in place, the exposure of many lies, which leaves the question, 'If this is what we are discovering here then what else has been manipulated and lied about?' It would seem that both SL and SF's were under the impression, safeguard even, of believing transcripts would never be made public, still under the safeguard of this being the case with statements in full? Attempting repeatedly to try and stop people from obtaining them? 

I first started commenting on this case because of lies I knew were in place. I took to studying what had been put out, intricately. Which was never around guilt/innocence. The ludicrous application of some giant conspiracy just to fit LM up. Therefore I set myself a question, an area to study around. Why did suspicion fall upon LM, why could he not be eliminated as suspect in the young girls murder? Realism and not fallacy.

The alibi - If SM, genuinely, within such a short period of time, had complete amnesia from the moment he finished work, then that is what he clearly should have stuck with? Is it really believable however, that someones memory was selective in what was lost? Which was around that crucial time of day. What of his alibi? Was it, that after playing the 'I cannot remember,' did he realise, wait a minute, I am going to need an alibi here also? There we have the birth of the story of them all being together, interacting with each other? Whilst perhaps trying to evade what he had been doing, thinking at first perhaps, my watching porn and masturbating has nothing to do with the young girls murder, but it did, even in its simplest form, he also required an alibi? Strength in numbers?

Compare - If he had no amnesia, why would he have initially played the cannot remember card? Did this show that SM was not wanting directly involved in that alibi for his brother? Wanting to be part of becoming entangled in lying for him, therefore lying by omission instead? He may very well have been aware of far more and wanting nothing to do with it. It doesn't necessarily point towards believing his younger brother had murdered someone, but certainly that he was not home.

All in all, it really is a tangled mess of lies, it doesn't matter which way you swing it - LM was clearly not home at that point. The original alibi ran from 5:05pm until 5:40pm, it was CCTV and phone logs that showed those times to be completely wrong. We have CM arriving home just after 5:15pm, SM's internet session ending at 5:16pm, we have LM saying he had made the call from the wall at the entrance of the estate, first call at 5:32pm. The original alibi around 35mins, evaporated to around 13mins, which did not fit around that evenly spaced out, very relaxed dinner tale.

Porn and masturbating - Does not just take place in an empty house. It does however bring with it awareness. We are conscious to the presence of others, alert to any noise/movement, alert to any risk of being caught/interrupted. What the AD was demonstrating, was that it was never simply that he may not have seen his brother, he had not seen him, nor heard him. Clearly hearing his mother arriving home and ending his internet session. LM claimed to have been listening to music whilst making dinner.

It has been in place for such a long time that SM left home just after dinner, the time applied, inferred, was just after 5:30pm. We see that this was in fact not before 6:20pm. Which points towards any dinner being made after his mother arrived home and not for her arrival home. CM stated that her elder son was in and out all evening, catching her having a fly fag? Yet we see here SM saying he was not home until much later. LM is supposed to have borrowed a torch from his elder brother, we see here that he claimed to be unaware that anything was amiss until the early hours of July 1st.

Ok, so that first call at 5:32pm placing LM by his claims on Newbattle Road just before this. He called his mother at 7pm, again from Newbattle Road (claimed). Claiming the call was to see if Jodi had been to the house. He had called the boys just before 7pm and after 7pm? To arrange the meeting in the Abbey. Approx 80mins is what we are asked to believe, that LM was idling around in one spot waiting on a girl, giving up after such an extraordinary length of time, shrugging his shoulders and arranging to meet with friends instead? A girl who had no phone, no security, walking an isolated path alone, she does not appear? - Again, I am highlighting why valid reason for suspicion fell upon LM. Called the boys back but not his girlfriends house to check where she was?

In that time frame, he was seen by F&W at the wooden gate, several hundred yards from his estate entrance. At approx 5:40pm, his original time he said he had left home. Seen again between here and the estate entrance coming on 6pm. He denies these sightings were him. He is without doubt at the estate entrance, slightly up from it at a point, from 6pm to 6:20pm approx. Seen by people who knew him there. So no sightings of him at the entrance from 5:30pm until touching 6pm, nothing from approx 6:20pm until with the boys in the Abbey well after 7pm. 6:20 - 25pm, SM leaves the estate, he did not see his brother around the entrance of it.

That whilst 5 others saw LM in places he claimed not to have been, no one saw him where he claimed to have been at those times.

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Re: LM V HMA Trial transcripts.
« Reply #14 on: December 02, 2023, 12:57:PM »
any more trial transcripts anything from john  ferris

by the way who is the owner of that blog