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Offline Roch

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2023, 08:42:AM »
The only person left is Bamber. Who had the time, strength and two reasons to.

Did he use a fireman's lift and cover himself in Nevill's blood?

Would it not have been easier just to not bother lifting Nevill anywhere at all?
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2023, 08:49:AM »
Did he use a fireman's lift and cover himself in Nevill's blood?

Would it not have been easier just to not bother lifting Nevill anywhere at all?

He wanted to be able to pull his pyjama top up. To get access to his back. As well as have good access to his head for 4 more shots.

He needed to lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle /chair. So no firemans lift needed.

Lifting Nevill from behind, I doubt he acquired much blood. His clothes were being washed or disposed of.
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2023, 09:16:AM »
PC Collins along with Pc Delagado. Two of the raid officers.

It is part of the formers statement. It seems that PC Collins is confirming the position nevill was found in when he first entered the property
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2023, 09:32:AM »
PC Collins along with Pc Delagado. Two of the raid officers.

It is part of the formers statement. It seems that PC Collins is confirming the position nevill was found in when he first entered the property
This will be how easily the CCRC will dismiss the AGA burns theory, the first police officer on entering the house giving a detailed description of where Neville was positioned when he entered the house.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2023, 09:44:AM »
This will be how easily the CCRC will dismiss the AGA burns theory, the first police officer on entering the house giving a detailed description of where Neville was positioned when he entered the house.

Why was Nevill described as a female?
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2023, 09:45:AM »
This will be how easily the CCRC will dismiss the AGA burns theory, the first police officer on entering the house giving a detailed description of where Neville was positioned when he entered the house.

Not forgetting Vanezis told the court rm was consistent with position found in. 

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2023, 09:49:AM »
Why was Nevill described as a female?
If you look at one of the case file photo's, you can see Neville's hair flow down over the Coal Scuttle?  As it's been discussed numerous times, maybe at first glance it looked like a female?  Who knows.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2023, 09:52:AM »
Not forgetting Vanezis told the court rm was consistent with position found in.
I agree, it doesn't matter what expert or theory they bring in regarding AGA burns, it will be very hard to get past the position the police found him in.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2023, 10:01:AM »
What would help Bamber is if an expert said it was possible for Nevill to collapse, stay and die in the position he was found.

This would benefit him as it was impossible for Sheila to have lifted him into that position. Confirming Bamber's guilt.

I have never seen such as expert statement.
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2023, 10:05:AM »
Why was Nevill described as a female?
What you have to remember, we are only seeing the Photo's that Mike put on here, Mike always went with the theory that the female in the kitchen call was about Sheila, there will be a lot more clearer and detailed photo's of Neville's position and how he looked, which might give a better opinion as why they thought it was a female at first?

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2023, 10:05:AM »
Both supporters and guilters agree Nevill was found in a position he would not have collapsed & died into.

Meaning Bamber lifted him.
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2023, 10:07:AM »
Was the kitchen door directly behind where nevill was?

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2023, 10:08:AM »
What you have to remember, we are only seeing the Photo's that Mike put on here, Mike always went with the theory that the female in the kitchen call was about Sheila, there will be a lot more clearer and detailed photo's of Neville's position and how he looked, which might give a better opinion as why they thought it was a female at first?

Collins and Delgado will have seen with their own eyes.
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2023, 10:09:AM »
Both supporters and guilters agree Nevill was found in a position he would not have collapsed & died into.

Meaning Bamber lifted him.

As always all interpretations are open
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #59 on: September 26, 2023, 10:24:AM »
Collins and Delgado will have seen with their own eyes.
Of Course they would, they thought it was a female at first with the hair?