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Offline Jane

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #30 on: September 25, 2023, 06:41:PM »
Mike Tesko always argued that the police toppled him.  I agree that JB wouldn't bother. How do you 'put' a man of Nevill's frame / build somewhere?  Possibly a dead weight too.  And how does anyone move him while he is covered in blood?  And why would Bamber need to place cushions anywhere in that area?  He would just not step in to the area in the first place - problem solved.

Would such apply to Sheila? She'd be unlikely to worry about bloody foot prints revealing the culprit if she intended to take her own life. An injured and dazed Nevill might not have been too difficult to tip forward. Even if bloodied, JB would have had time to divest himself of soiled clothing -I'm not going to suggest the AGA!- by putting them through the washing machine.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #31 on: September 25, 2023, 07:23:PM »
Would such apply to Sheila? She'd be unlikely to worry about bloody foot prints revealing the culprit if she intended to take her own life. An injured and dazed Nevill might not have been too difficult to tip forward. Even if bloodied, JB would have had time to divest himself of soiled clothing -I'm not going to suggest the AGA!- by putting them through the washing machine.

Are you saying Jane that you see no problem with the position of Nevil as in the crime scene photos?

I don't think Nevil died in the position that we see him in?

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #32 on: September 25, 2023, 07:48:PM »
Are you saying Jane that you see no problem with the position of Nevil as in the crime scene photos?

I don't think Nevil died in the position that we see him in?


And you maybe right. However, I think it would have been easier to move a wounded Nevill into that position, than a deceased one, the rifle being fired when he was in position.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #33 on: September 25, 2023, 07:58:PM »
Mike Tesko always argued that the police toppled him.  I agree that JB wouldn't bother. How do you 'put' a man of Nevill's frame / build somewhere?  Possibly a dead weight too.  And how does anyone move him while he is covered in blood?  And why would Bamber need to place cushions anywhere in that area?  He would just not step in to the area in the first place - problem solved.

Toppled him from where? He isn't 'toppled'.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #34 on: September 25, 2023, 08:05:PM »
Toppled him from where? He isn't 'toppled'.

Could he have somehow toppled himself?

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #35 on: September 25, 2023, 08:22:PM »
Could he have somehow toppled himself?
Must admit, iv'e always thought it was an unatural and strange position that Neville rested in?  It doesn't fit in with Gravity if someone toppled over, i would have expected with weight force it would have carried him to the floor?  Whats the chances of the chair toppled over and the coal scuttle supporting him?  But at the same time i cannot see the police propping him in that position either.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #36 on: September 25, 2023, 08:24:PM »
I think if the Police moved him, they would have layed him on the floor.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #37 on: September 25, 2023, 08:27:PM »
Could he have somehow toppled himself?
If you believe like me that Nevill ended up on the chair/scuttle by his own steam then you are definately in the minority Roch.
Does everyone else think Nevill was staged by another person/s ?

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #38 on: September 25, 2023, 08:30:PM »
Must admit, iv'e always thought it was an unatural and strange position that Neville rested in?  It doesn't fit in with Gravity if someone toppled over, i would have expected with weight force it would have carried him to the floor?  Whats the chances of the chair toppled over and the coal scuttle supporting him?  But at the same time i cannot see the police propping him in that position either.


Neither can I. Too deliberate and degrading. It makes as much sense as West and Bonnet trying to frame JB because one of them had omitted to reveal a call.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #39 on: September 25, 2023, 08:40:PM »

Neither can I. Too deliberate and degrading. It makes as much sense as West and Bonnet trying to frame JB because one of them had omitted to reveal a call.
Yes, Jane it's too deliberate for me as well.  The Police would not have left/put him in that position either.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #40 on: September 25, 2023, 08:45:PM »
Either the killer or police

We can all agree its not a natural position for a dying man to take

Laws of gravity and common sense say he would fall to the floor
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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #41 on: September 25, 2023, 08:49:PM »
Either the killer or police

We can all agree its not a natural position for a dying man to take

Laws of gravity and common sense say he would fall to the floor
Everyone seems to agree Nevill was staged except me and possibly Roch,ILB.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #42 on: September 25, 2023, 10:10:PM »
I always believed it could have been staged managed. And I am not alluding to a conspiracy theory either

It seemed such an unnatural position, from either the gulity party placing him there or him himself taking him to that position for his last moments
A Sheila in psychosis is not going to stage-manage the murder scene.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #43 on: September 25, 2023, 11:08:PM »
A Sheila in psychosis is not going to stage-manage the murder scene.

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Re: How did Nevill end up positioned across the chairs?
« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2023, 08:06:AM »
Either the killer or police

We can all agree its not a natural position for a dying man to take

Laws of gravity and common sense say he would fall to the floor

Agree with that. Unless an expert says Nevill could have fallen into that position and died. Which has never happened.

This rules out Sheila. She was not strong enough to lift Nevill. She did not have time & would not consider burning his back.

It also rules out the police. They had no reason to move Nevill. It was not police protocol. No officers have ever said they moved Nevill.

The only person left is Bamber. Who had the time, strength and two reasons to.
« Last Edit: September 26, 2023, 08:07:AM by Adam »
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