Was Sheila's illness curable?

[Adam]

They are not technicalitys, they are potential grounds of appeal

It was a COA in 2002.

None proved innocence. But criminals do get released on technicalities.

[Jane]

Seems like Shelia was originally going to plan to go away in the first week of August with her pals along with Daniel and Nicholas to France for a holiday.

Was June supposed to go as well Adam?

I guess she was allowed to dream. Whether, or not, those dreams would have come to fruition, we'll never know.

[Adam]

Seems like Shelia was originally going to plan to go away in the first week of August with her pals along with Daniel and Nicholas to France for a holiday.

Was June supposed to go as well Adam?

Tompkinson. Is that the person who said Sheila needed help getting off the sofa.

Holiday paid by June & Nevill I assume.

Bamber with his 14 hour days.

[ILB]

Tompkinson. Is that the person who said Sheila needed help getting off the sofa.

Holiday paid by June & Nevill I assume.

Bamber with his 14 hour days.

I totally get the " lazy Shelia money for nothing " and the Bamber " grafting his bollocks off for little reward argument. And from a gulity Bamber scenario its valid in a sense.

But we are discussing the mobility of Shelia

[Jane]

Seems like Shelia was originally going to plan to go away in the first week of August with her pals along with Daniel and Nicholas to France for a holiday.

Was June supposed to go as well Adam?

We're told Sheila -somewhat reluctantly- agreed to take the boys to WHF only because Colin was taking them to Norway to see his sister and the Bambers had requested the visit prior to them going. Sheila's -well documented-  silence on the journey hardly suggests her being wild with excitement about the visit.

[Jane]

I totally get the " lazy Shelia money for nothing " and the Bamber " grafting his bollocks off for little reward argument. And from a gulity Bamber scenario its valid in a sense.

But we are discussing the mobility of Shelia

Would that be having or lacking physical mobility, or mental energy?

[Adam]

I totally get the " lazy Shelia money for nothing " and the Bamber " grafting his bollocks off for little reward argument. And from a gulity Bamber scenario its valid in a sense.

But we are discussing the mobility of Shelia

It is not lazy Sheila. She had severe physical and mental problems. With long stays in hospital.

Nevill and June would not support a 'lazy Sheila' so massively if she could look after herself.

[ILB]

Would that be having or lacking physical mobility, or mental energy?

Recollections of Shelia from friends, family and acquaintances differ on varying scales from March 1985 up to the date of the massacre. One one hand she is lethargic, vacant, distant, on other occasions she is actively seeking work and planning holidays and having dates with other men and enjoying a social life.

I'm guessing this is all part and parcel of Shelias medical condition. Good days and bad days. A cornerstone of the guilt argument is not just about her being unable to overpower nevill and being unable to operate the rifle. It is also down to her not having the physical capacity to even attempt such a feat. Adam often had made reference to this as of recent saying Shelia couldn't do it because she was a " mouse to the slaughter" and June cooked food for her.

My personal opinion is that I think she had the energy to do so. Whether she did or not is an entirely different matter of course

[ILB]

It is not lazy Sheila. She had severe physical and mental problems. With long stays in hospital.

I am looking at it from Bambers perspective and gulity Bamber scenario

[ILB]

Nevill and June would not support a 'lazy Sheila' so massively if she could look after herself.

Nevill and June had adopted Shelia from a babe in arms. They were known to be loving people and would support her. Parenthood in many cases is for life!

Jeremy was also being supported by been given a job, a house a car and income. With a long term view to take over a business eventually

[Adam]

Nevill and June had adopted Shelia from a babe in arms. They were known to be loving people and would support her. Parenthood in many cases is for life!

Jeremy was also being supported by been given a job, a house a car and income. With a long term view to take over a business eventually

A job. You can say that again.

[Jane]

Recollections of Shelia from friends, family and acquaintances differ on varying scales from March 1985 up to the date of the massacre. One one hand she is lethargic, vacant, distant, on other occasions she is actively seeking work and planning holidays and having dates with other men and enjoying a social life.

I'm guessing this is all part and parcel of Shelias medical condition. Good days and bad days. A cornerstone of the guilt argument is not just about her being unable to overpower nevill and being unable to operate the rifle. It is also down to her not having the physical capacity to even attempt such a feat. Adam often had made reference to this as of recent saying Shelia couldn't do it because she was a " mouse to the slaughter" and June cooked food for her.

My personal opinion is that I think she had the energy to do so. Whether she did or not is an entirely different matter of course

It's a shame we don't have Christine's view. I'm guessing, as Colin says of her not looking as happy since the boys were born, adjectives such as radiant, animated and vivacious would have been used. From then on, I think it was something of a mental roller coaster on an increasingly downward trajectory. By the time she reached WHF, I think she'd all but run out of mental energy.

Simply claiming "June cooked for her" is rather over-egging this particular pudding. Unless June went to London on a daily basis, such would have been impossible.

[Adam]

It's a shame we don't have Christine's view. I'm guessing, as Colin says of her not looking as happy since the boys were born, adjectives such as radiant, animated and vivacious would have been used. From then on, I think it was something of a mental roller coaster on an increasingly downward trajectory. By the time she reached WHF, I think she'd all but run out of mental energy.

Simply claiming "June cooked for her" is rather over-egging this particular pudding. Unless June went to London on a daily basis, such would have been impossible.

Weekly visits. Suspect June cooked in bulk to cover Sheila for the week.

[ILB]

Weekly visits. Suspect June cooked in bulk to cover Sheila for the week.

Maybe June imposed herself.

With Nevill working all day, Jean boutell taking care of the cleaning duties, and apart from church it was something for June to do.

Maybe June needed Shelia as much as Shelia needed June

[Jane]

Maybe June imposed herself.

With Nevill working all day, Jean boutell taking care of the cleaning duties, and apart from church it was something for June to do.

Maybe June needed Shelia as much as Shelia needed June

Weekly visits. Suspect June cooked in bulk to cover Sheila for the week.

I think we may have found a point on which you both agree!!