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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #75 on: September 18, 2023, 12:51:PM »
Burning down WHF was a non starter.

Agree it was impossible for Sheila to load the rifle, let alone do everything else. But that just made her easier to control.

It was then a case of hopeing the likes of AE didn't push things.

Disagree
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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #76 on: September 18, 2023, 04:31:PM »
OR until they're put in a position where their natural inclinations are continually suppressed by a more powerful figure. They may strive very hard to be what's expected of them -I imagine this to be a stronger response in adopted children- but when it comes to nature/nurture, I suspect that, eventually, nature will win, albeit not without a fight. Sadly, this is often the point at which substance/drug/alcohol abuse takes a hold.

Maybe Jane you probably know more than me, I am partly going by personal experience and what I have read.

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #77 on: September 18, 2023, 04:36:PM »

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #78 on: September 18, 2023, 04:42:PM »
Maybe Jane you probably know more than me, I am partly going by personal experience and what I have read.


Well, I don't have all the answers but I remain convinced that things don't just happen. There's a reason for everything. The trick is finding it. Whether we believe JB or Sheila to be the culprit, both would have reasons that went back much further than the day's events. The nature/nurture debate is infinite.

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #79 on: September 18, 2023, 04:46:PM »
Whenever I hear the word anorexia I always think of the tragedy of Karen Carpenter. https://youtu.be/7nLzRNXQhco

Sheila was or used to be a model it is not surprising that she would be extraordinarily thin, especially in those days. Are you trying to make something out of nothing Steve?

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #80 on: September 18, 2023, 04:53:PM »
Sheila was or used to be a model it is not surprising that she would be extraordinarily thin, especially in those days. Are you trying to make something out of nothing Steve?

As Wallis Simpson said "A girl can never be too rich or too thin". Models back then lived on diets of cigarettes and black coffee. I imagine many lived on the edge of anorexia/bulimia.

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #81 on: September 18, 2023, 05:18:PM »
Sheila was or used to be a model it is not surprising that she would be extraordinarily thin, especially in those days. Are you trying to make something out of nothing Steve?
I would have thought the pressures were similar.

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #82 on: September 18, 2023, 05:45:PM »
This was taken a few months prior to the massacre. She looks a completely normal healthy ( physical wise )

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #83 on: September 18, 2023, 06:14:PM »
This was taken a few months prior to the massacre. She looks a completely normal healthy ( physical wise )


"A few months prior to the massacre"? Hang on a minute. She couldn't attend the Bambers for Christmas 1984 because she was unwell. She was taken into hospital at the end of February and was there for approximately a month. I doubt she looked as healthy as the woman in the picture when she came out. Indeed, that could be an entirely different person!
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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #84 on: September 18, 2023, 07:09:PM »

"A few months prior to the massacre"? Hang on a minute. She couldn't attend the Bambers for Christmas 1984 because she was unwell. She was taken into hospital at the end of February and was there for approximately a month. I doubt she looked as healthy as the woman in the picture when she came out. Indeed, that could be an entirely different person!
I don't recognize either of them Jane. Is the photograph supposed to depict Sheila Caffell and Mabel Speakman?

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #85 on: September 18, 2023, 07:13:PM »
Come to think of it, isn't there photos of Sheila as a model. Looking fit?

That was only a few years earlier.
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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #86 on: September 18, 2023, 09:42:PM »

"A few months prior to the massacre"? Hang on a minute. She couldn't attend the Bambers for Christmas 1984 because she was unwell. She was taken into hospital at the end of February and was there for approximately a month. I doubt she looked as healthy as the woman in the picture when she came out. Indeed, that could be an entirely different person!

It is Shelia in early 1985
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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #87 on: September 18, 2023, 09:58:PM »
Then you will know that Sheila wasn't all there, so to speak.

He said she seemed strange if I recall correctly

Fact is she was mobile
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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #88 on: September 19, 2023, 08:20:AM »
As Wallis Simpson said "A girl can never be too rich or too thin". Models back then lived on diets of cigarettes and black coffee. I imagine many lived on the edge of anorexia/bulimia.
Sheila was long past the modeling stage, when she was considerably thinner than she appears in the crime scene photos. There is plenty of meat on her in those pictures. Her face might even be described as a little bit pudgy. The photo of Mabel and Sheila shows that she had recovered from her brief modeling career and had fully regained her physical fitness.

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Re: Was Sheila's illness curable?
« Reply #89 on: September 19, 2023, 12:15:PM »
It is Shelia in early 1985

According to who? Where?