Was Sheila's illness curable?

[Jane]

Can't get off sofas but can travel to Essex and go shopping for jeans.....

Interpretations vary -as do recollections- of what constitutes being really ill or simply poorly.

[ILB]

She will have her good and bad moments.

Bamber knew she was ready and rang Julie.

You see why would a calculating Bamber try to frame Shelia if he knew she was out of it ?

It's not exactly the perfect scapegoat is it?

[Steve_uk]

You see why would a calculating Bamber try to frame Shelia if he knew she was out of it ?

It's not exactly the perfect scapegoat is it?

No, but her closest relatives would be dead, paving the way for Jeremy to deliver his spiel unchallenged.

[Adam]

You see why would a calculating Bamber try to frame Shelia if he knew she was out of it ?

It's not exactly the perfect scapegoat is it?

His only option.

But the relatives would not have it.

[ILB]

If he is gulity then i believe he must have known from the outset that his version of events would be challenged. If Shelia was supposed to be " completely out of it "

He doesn't seem to have shared a close relationship with the relatives, So how could he bank on them believing him?

Can be only  option three if used Shelia as a scapegoat, Bamber is thick as pig shit. Or was in 1985.

[Jane]

If he is gulity then i believe he must have known from the outset that his version of events would be challenged. If Shelia was supposed to be " completely out of it "

He doesn't seem to have shared a close relationship with the relatives, So how could he bank on them believing him?

Can be only  option three if used Shelia as a scapegoat, Bamber is thick as pig shit. Or was in 1985.

Surely he had to have believed he'd covered all bases?

He actually didn't need to tell any more than the truth -embroidered, naturally- because the relatives were already aware of Sheila's mental instability.

[Adam]

Surely he had to have believed he'd covered all bases?

He actually didn't need to tell any more than the truth -embroidered, naturally- because the relatives were already aware of Sheila's mental instability.

All criminals think they have. Until convicted.

[ILB]

Surely he had to have believed he'd covered all bases?

He actually didn't need to tell any more than the truth -embroidered, naturally- because the relatives were already aware of Sheila's mental instability.

He himself looking at either an innocent or gulity scenario created the fact that it was either him or his sister had done it. By the phonecall to West. It remains the fact to this day.

If Shelia was indeed out of it as Adam says. Then it is quite frankly stupid in trying to frame her as a killer. From a gulity Bamber perspective.

If this is the case, he wasn't calculating in my opinion. It's more cocky overconfident stupid and reckless

[ILB]

His only option.

But the relatives would not have it.

I believe the arson scenario of what Julie suggested he said would have been better for him. Nevill falling asleep with a gin and tonic I think it was and with a lit cigarette.

Yes items lost of value, but I reckon if he had gone down this path is reckon hed be a free if gulity man today.

It would be put down as a tragic accident

Trying to frame someone who is " out of it" if she apparently was and he knew that is madness. In reference to a firearm massacre

[snow66!]

Surely he had to have believed he'd covered all bases?

He actually didn't need to tell any more than the truth -embroidered, naturally- because the relatives were already aware of Sheila's mental instability.

Did the Bambers keep any livestock or horses Jane?

[Jane]

Did the Bambers keep any livestock or horses Jane?

Whilst I'm fairly convinced there was no livestock, I'm totally convinced there weren't any horses.

[ILB]

All criminals think they have. Until convicted.

The opinion of Jeremy by every family member namely the boutflour or Eaton's is that he is a young man who likes money. RWB made emphasis that " he fully understood and new the value of money "

But taking Jeremy off topic for a second

Personally I believe between Nevill Bamber and Robert Boutflour and Peter Eaton there was a business war of somewhat going off. Not do much in rivalry but in terms of jealousy. It's clear that out of the three Nevill was the most successful. I also believe that nevill and RWB didn't have a close and friendly relationship as is made out

None of this ever came to complete fruition because the case was Jeremy Bamber either murdererd his family or his sister did. I'm not as a rule a conspiracy theorist and I call a spade or spade. But I'd bet my house that behind the scenes there something brewing between both sets of families. Mainly on the menfolk side of things

Ironically Jeremy being convicted  has been a blessing in disguise for some parties involved. As crazy as it sounds

[snow66!]

Whilst I'm fairly convinced there was no livestock, I'm totally convinced there weren't any horses.

Thanks Jane,so most likely all arable then.

[Jane]

The opinion of Jeremy by every family member namely the boutflour or Eaton's is that he is a young man who likes money. RWB made emphasis that " he fully understood and new the value of money "

But taking Jeremy off topic for a second

Personally I believe between Nevill Bamber and Robert Boutflour and Peter Eaton there was a business war of somewhat going off. Not do much in rivalry but in terms of jealousy. It's clear that out of the three Nevill was the most successful. I also believe that nevill and RWB didn't have a close and friendly relationship as is made out

None of this ever came to complete fruition because the case was Jeremy Bamber either murdererd his family or his sister did. I'm not as a rule a conspiracy theorist and I call a spade or spade. But I'd bet my house that behind the scenes there something brewing between both sets of families. Mainly on the menfolk side of things

Ironically Jeremy being convicted  has been a blessing in disguise for some parties involved. As crazy as it sounds

I think RWB and NB had been friends since Ag college -the Royal Cirencester- where RWB's father was Principal/Dean. RWB was senior to NB and probably graduated first. He found work on the Speakman farm and when there was an opening for a junior manager, he recommended his friend NB. Eventually, both men went on to marry the Speakman sisters. All was probably well at the beginning, then, as in many relationships, cracks began to show. It may have been about NB having inherited wealth. It may have been about NB's business acumen. It may have been about RWB having children which no amount of wealth could rectify for NB. I imagine these important factors set the seeds of discontent and jealousy in RWB who may have assuaged it by reasoning that NB's wealth would eventually find its way to his family. I think it reasonable to believe his thoughts/beliefs would have been passed on to Ann -very much her father's daughter- who, in turn, would have passed them to her husband, PE.

[Adam]

I believe the arson scenario of what Julie suggested he said would have been better for him. Nevill falling asleep with a gin and tonic I think it was and with a lit cigarette.

Yes items lost of value, but I reckon if he had gone down this path is reckon hed be a free if gulity man today.

It would be put down as a tragic accident

Trying to frame someone who is " out of it" if she apparently was and he knew that is madness. In reference to a firearm massacre

Burning down WHF was a non starter.

Agree it was not impossible for Sheila to load the rifle, let alone do everything else. But that just made her easier to control.

It was then a case of hopeing the likes of AE didn't push things.