CCRC have proof of additional wounds

[Bubo bubo]

They farmed at Wix.My great uncle was headmaster of both schools in Tollesbury so I spent a lot of time down there as a child. The wall around Goldhanger/D'Arcy is much easier to walk than the one at Tollesbury.

No sea wall at Wix. The rest is just a matter of opinion. Not a lot of difference in mine. A child's view often differs from an adults. Perception changes with age.

[Zoso]

What you are forgetting is that the relatives did not farm in D'Arcy. Check where they farmed. They might not have a sea wall near their farms and if they did it might not be comparable. I lived in Tollesbury and have an intimate knowledge of the sea wall in the late 70's early 80's. I was a little older than JB but very fit from sporting activity. Believe me when I say it is not something I would have attempted. I have posted about this many times. As ilb says move on

I think you're bound to say that, but we aren't talking about what you would or wouldn't do. We're talking about Bamber - I suspect you wouldn't kill five members of your family either but .....

[ILB]

He's not going to ream off routes to WHF that would implicate him is he?

That's true.

But it can also suggest he didn't know any other route.

He certainly wasn't asked to explain further

" look Jeremy, you have grown up in the the area, you know any nook and cranny, you know the sea wall route "

[Bubo bubo]

I think you're bound to say that, but we aren't talking about what you would or wouldn't do. We're talking about Bamber - I suspect you wouldn't kill five members of your family either but .....

I was, despite your thinking, trying to be objective and give a 'elf and safety' type response.

[ILB]

I agree was possible to drive. He drove to work every day.

But don't believe he would take the risk of being seen or heard by vehicles, pedestrians, people in houses and security cameras.

ILB refuses to budge from it being impossible to cycle the Sea Wall. Which contradicts everyone else from all sides. He has never been there.

Do you not think that breaking into your mother and father's house, murdering them along with your sister and nephews is not a risk in itself ?

[ILB]

Believe the Astra he had at the time a new model

He had written the old Astra he had months before the massacre in a RTA.

Ironically the officer who attended that accident was Saxby. Who would meet Jeremy months later along with Bews and myall at the rendovous at the farm.

[ILB]

I agree was possible to drive. He drove to work every day.

But don't believe he would take the risk of being seen or heard by vehicles, pedestrians, people in houses and security cameras.

ILB refuses to budge from it being impossible to cycle the Sea Wall. Which contradicts everyone else from all sides. He has never been there.

If you believe Jeremy Bamber to be gulity. Then you must believe he is a risk taker.

In the fact he told his girlfriend he had murdered five members of his family

With that in mind I don't think such a person would worry about the risk of driving a car past properties ( with a high chance of sleeping occupants )

It was the middle of the night

[Zoso]

That's true.

But it can also suggest he didn't know any other route.

He certainly wasn't asked to explain further

" look Jeremy, you have grown up in the the area, you know any nook and cranny, you know the sea wall route "

I think that is VERY unlikely, but he didn't have to use the sea wall route, I am sure there were many others.

[ILB]

I think that is VERY unlikely, but he didn't have to use the sea wall route, I am sure there were many others.

I think the sea wall route is a none starter in regards to the events.

Adam claims it's gospel

[Adam]

I think that is VERY unlikely, but he didn't have to use the sea wall route, I am sure there were many others.

Believe there were 3 routes. Two passed properties.

The prosecution case is he cycled the Sea Wall. It passed no properties and had good, flat terrain. Julie testified he planned to cycle it.

He would know the route, day and night. He lived, worked and was brought up 2 minutes from it.

It was also an open area meaning more ambient light.

Not sure why he would cycle another route.

ILB has never been to the Sea Wall.

[Adam]

After the relatives, the next group of people to promote the Sea Wall were EP, the DPP & Prosecution.

EP cycled it during the day & provided a WS.  Wilkinson did not mention anything about trees, hedges or bushes hanging over the route which would block ambient light.

One or all 3 of these departments would have checked the visibility at night as standard practice.

[Adam]

The next group of people who would have had the opportunity to visit the Sea Wall, were the defence and media.

After the arrest both would be well aware of the prosecution case.

The defence would visit the proposed route day and night. Looking for an open goal. Or at least something to help them.

The media would visit looking for a scoop. The case was now big news.

The Sea Wall was available to everyone 24/7.

[Adam]

Local residents and the general public would have had the opportunity and feel inclined to visit the Sea Wall from the time Bamber's arrest was in the media.

This has remained the case from 1985 - 2023.

[ILB]

Just the same rehash from Adam

With no proof to confirm validity

[Adam]

Just the same rehash from Adam

With no proof to confirm validity

Not sure what you mean by that.

The Sea Wall has been available 24/7 for the whole of the British public to visit since before 1985.

There is no source negating the prosecution case saying it cannot be cycled at night.

You have never been there so cannot say either way.