Auditors And News Of The Day

[Roch]

I don't know what to believe with it all to be honest.

Was talking to a customer the other day. He was looking at pursuing legal action against a builder. Long story short the builder has apparently secretly recorded a conversation he had with my customer whilst he was in my customers house. The customer believes he has broken the law because he was on private property. ( they are in dispute over some work that has been carried out )

Don't think he has a leg to stand on ( the customer ) in pursuing this but then again I'm not certain on the exact legislation

We are currently in dispute with a home improvements firm. It's a real sickner. Our home-life has been massively impacted for over a year as a result of who we chose for works.

[ILB]

We are currently in dispute with a home improvements firm. It's a real sickner. Our home-life has been massively impacted for over a year as a result of who we chose for works.

I have always asked for a cap and collar contract with builders. Stops them adding on.

[Roch]

I have always asked for a cap and collar contract with builders. Stops them adding on.

I wouldn't begin to explain what went wrong with ours. Some very harsh lessons learned by us, that's for sure.

[Hardy Boy]

Arrested, this one is doing the rounds in the Papers, he was awarded £4000?  Where is the common sense with some Police officers?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Xg05vyKbeI

[Hardy Boy]

This is the follow up to his detention.  I'm no way anti-police, but sometimes their ego and common sense just doesn't engage.  Two cars arrived with blue lights on and a  999 call for a man who paid for his fuel and was still in the shop.  If i rang and said my house had been raided and burgled, all i would get is a crime number.  The beauty of it was, they had his name because his car was outside and they had checked his Reg, they knew it was him because he questioned them about calling his name out in Public.

I think the Police and public can learn from these video's, it's obvious officers don't know that they are supposed to inform when their body cam is on, how else can you ask for a copy if you don't know it's on?

Look how un-proffesional she is when she reads him his rights.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9BX2G_gxe8

[Hardy Boy]

Section one of Pace, search for carrying a camera tripod.  Even though he realises it's a tripod he still has to carry on with the search.   


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tM-VuVjoAo

[Hardy Boy]

Charlie Veitch in Manchester, did the police do a good job for him here  , these people really wanted to hurt him?  Rather than watch all the video you can fast forward to about the 10 minute mark and watch the Palestine/Hamas supporters.  Charlie Veitch is well known in Manchester for his Auditing and the Police have a lot of Respect for him, it's disgusting the threats these guys dish out to Charlie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vztAcpaM65Q

[ngb1066]

Charlie Veitch in Manchester, did the police do a good job for him here  , these people really wanted to hurt him?  Rather than watch all the video you can fast forward to about the 10 minute mark and watch the Palestine/Hamas supporters.  Charlie Veitch is well known in Manchester for his Auditing and the Police have a lot of Respect for him, it's disgusting the threats these guys dish out to Charlie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vztAcpaM65Q

I agree that the people shown in the video behaved badly, but the vast majority of the people on the demonstration behaved in a disciplined manner.  There is always an element on any demonstration which does not behave well, but there is very little the demonstration organisers or stewards can do about it.
I think the police did OK in this instance as they wanted to deescalate the situation and they did that by moving Charlie Veitch a short distance away.

I have watched a few of the Charlie Veitch videos.  He clearly takes lengthy videos but is very selective with the clips he posts, always trying to show others in a bad light and showing him apparently being very sensible and reasonable.  The problem is that because of his YouTube channel he is very well known now and easily recognised.  He has a very clear right wing and pro Zionist perspective, which of course he is entitled to, but he targets left wing or pro Palestine people and goads them.  Even some of his own videos show him being very antagonistic and taunting people.  I do not condone aggressive reactions to him and most people just ignore him, but it is understandable that at times he gets a strong reaction.

     

[Hardy Boy]

I agree that the people shown in the video behaved badly, but the vast majority of the people on the demonstration behaved in a disciplined manner.  There is always an element on any demonstration which does not behave well, but there is very little the demonstration organisers or stewards can do about it.
I think the police did OK in this instance as they wanted to deescalate the situation and they did that by moving Charlie Veitch a short distance away.

I have watched a few of the Charlie Veitch videos.  He clearly takes lengthy videos but is very selective with the clips he posts, always trying to show others in a bad light and showing him apparently being very sensible and reasonable.  The problem is that because of his YouTube channel he is very well known now and easily recognised.  He has a very clear right wing and pro Zionist perspective, which of course he is entitled to, but he targets left wing or pro Palestine people and goads them.  Even some of his own videos show him being very antagonistic and taunting people.  I do not condone aggressive reactions to him and most people just ignore him, but it is understandable that at times he gets a strong reaction.

   

Iv'e watched quite a few of Charlie and i think he's had a lot of Problems with the Homeless in the Past, i think they were out to teach him a lesson and are fed up with him posting about them,  my initial response/post was i thought the Police handled it well considering and it could have esculated into something worse, i changed my original post to let others decide.  He's different to others that i have watched who do this, he tries to keep the Police onboard while he goads as you say.......Yet the other so called Auditors are very sympathetic to the Homeless and contribute money to their plight,  AB donates any money he recieves from the Police in cases that he wins to the Homeless,  and distributes it to them on the street.

I honestly think you can learn a lot from these Video's, well i have anyway, i personally don't watch them to be Anti-Police and i do feel sorry for them especially in today's climate, there are a lot of the Auditors who go with the sole intent of getting a reaction and it's nothing to do with their love of Photography, reactions generates money for them, and i think if i was a police Officer i could spot one a mile off and not give them the reaction they are wanting, and it's this part that intrigue's me?

[Hardy Boy]

I agree that the people shown in the video behaved badly, but the vast majority of the people on the demonstration behaved in a disciplined manner.  There is always an element on any demonstration which does not behave well, but there is very little the demonstration organisers or stewards can do about it.
I think the police did OK in this instance as they wanted to deescalate the situation and they did that by moving Charlie Veitch a short distance away.

I have watched a few of the Charlie Veitch videos.  He clearly takes lengthy videos but is very selective with the clips he posts, always trying to show others in a bad light and showing him apparently being very sensible and reasonable.  The problem is that because of his YouTube channel he is very well known now and easily recognised.  He has a very clear right wing and pro Zionist perspective, which of course he is entitled to, but he targets left wing or pro Palestine people and goads them.  Even some of his own videos show him being very antagonistic and taunting people.  I do not condone aggressive reactions to him and most people just ignore him, but it is understandable that at times he gets a strong reaction.

   

The problem i have with the Marches Neil, it's every weekend now shutting large parts of tourists attraction area's, my wife and Daughter and Grandaughters visited the Capital at the weekend and had the same problem, it's week in and week out now with vast numbers being allowed to March.  I cast my mind back to the Miners strike and we were labelled and criticised as left wing hooligans with no place in society......... the same Police force and the same Government stopping movement of travel for striking Miners and causing disruption and violence among Miners to paint an even blacker picture, yet we was fighting for Jobs?

the Police in the Charlie Veitch Video, i think had washed their hands on both Charlie and the two guys,  both parties were like two Boxer's sparring waiting for one another to make the wrong move to get the other arrested.

[ngb1066]

The problem i have with the Marches Neil, it's every weekend now shutting large parts of tourists attraction area's, my wife and Daughter and Grandaughters visited the Capital at the weekend and had the same problem, it's week in and week out now with vast numbers being allowed to March.  I cast my mind back to the Miners strike and we were labelled and criticised as left wing hooligans with no place in society......... the same Police force and the same Government stopping movement of travel for striking Miners and causing disruption and violence among Miners to paint an even blacker picture, yet we was fighting for Jobs?

the Police in the Charlie Veitch Video, i think had washed their hands on both Charlie and the two guys,  both parties were like two Boxer's sparring waiting for one another to make the wrong move to get the other arrested.

I agree that the way the miners' strike was policed was appalling.  It was also in many cases unlawful, with police preventing lawful movement.  Of course we now know what was suspected at the time, that the actions of the police were directed by the government.  Thatcher also illegally used MI5 during the strike. 

Charlie Veitch has to provoke a reaction so that he can spice up his videos and get more views.  He has a lot of followers and no doubt makes a reasonable amount of money for himself as a result of his activities.  The police treat him very carefully because they do not want to be featured as the star of one of his videos!   

[Steve_uk]

I agree that the way the miners' strike was policed was appalling.  It was also in many cases unlawful, with police preventing lawful movement.  Of course we now know what was suspected at the time, that the actions of the police were directed by the government.  Thatcher also illegally used MI5 during the strike. 

Charlie Veitch has to provoke a reaction so that he can spice up his videos and get more views.  He has a lot of followers and no doubt makes a reasonable amount of money for himself as a result of his activities.  The police treat him very carefully because they do not want to be featured as the star of one of his videos!

What is the law on secondary picketing ngb1066?

[Hardy Boy]

What is the law on secondary picketing ngb1066?

Flying Pickets are illegal now Steve, they wasn't during the miners Strike.  The Police stopped movement of miners from entering the Nottingham coal field to Picket the Notts Miners, many got turned back in their cars.  It's a well known fact that what the Police did was illegal at the time, also it is a well known fact that they had infiltrators [spy cops] joining Picket lines and deliberatly inciting violence to make the miners look bad for the press.  These Cops also targeted support groups in the Communities at the same time.  The Met police and Essex Police were the worst offenders, coming up in droves and paid vast amounts to crush the miners strike.

The Laws changed after the miners strike Re-picketing, it was said that usually  6 could picket their own workplace and the flying pickets was banned, also more powers were given to the Police.

This is what makes me mad, you can have 100,000 marching around City centres waving flags shouting and  looking quite intimidating with face Masks, they can jump all over war memorials and statues climb up buildings  and they get Police protection and a cup of tea.........yet the miners trying to fight against pit closures and job loses [it wasn't about more money] and the Police want to batter them.

[Steve_uk]

Flying Pickets are illegal now Steve, they wasn't during the miners Strike.  The Police stopped movement of miners from entering the Nottingham coal field to Picket the Notts Miners, many got turned back in their cars.  It's a well known fact that what the Police did was illegal at the time, also it is a well known fact that they had infiltrators [spy cops] joining Picket lines and deliberatly inciting violence to make the miners look bad for the press.  These Cops also targeted support groups in the Communities at the same time.  The Met police and Essex Police were the worst offenders, coming up in droves and paid vast amounts to crush the miners strike.

The Laws changed after the miners strike Re-picketing, it was said that usually  6 could picket their own workplace and the flying pickets was banned, also more powers were given to the Police.

This is what makes me mad, you can have 100,000 marching around City centres waving flags shouting and  looking quite intimidating with face Masks, they can jump all over war memorials and statues climb up buildings  and they get Police protection and a cup of tea.........yet the miners trying to fight against pit closures and job loses [it wasn't about more money] and the Police want to batter them.

I don't wish to get into the rights or wrongs of the miners' strike. Suffice to say had they not effectively brought down the Conservative government with the 1972 strike, or we as a nation could guarantee supply of a national resource it might never have happened. My understanding of the law is that peaceful picketing was allowed, but Scargill's bully boys went beyond that. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/nostalgia/flying-pickets-brought-traffic-chaos-1370589

[Hardy Boy]

I don't wish to get into the rights or wrongs of the miners' strike. Suffice to say had they not effectively brought down the Conservative government with the 1972 strike, or we as a nation could guarantee supply of a national resource it might never have happened. My understanding of the law is that peaceful picketing was allowed, but Scargill's bully boys went beyond that. https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/news/nostalgia/flying-pickets-brought-traffic-chaos-1370589

I agree that Scargill wasn't the right person to lead the strike and he made some terrible mistakes, he should have gone for a vote, he would have won easily.  It's History Steve and we should  talk about it and i'm proud to talk about, i'm proud to be part of it and and i'm more proud of my Parents and Brothers and friends who sacrificed a whole year of their life without any Pay other than £3.00 a day Picketing Money something that will never be repeated.

Any Picket Line i saw, there wasn't any bother, the difference was, when the Picket lines were being Policed by Local Police,  more than likely their own sons or relations were miners, they wouldn't do what Thatcher wanted so the Picket lines were more Humerous than anything, Thatcher brought in the MET Police because she never expected the resilliance of the working class and called the Miners THE ENEMY WITHIN, and had no intention other than to crush the Miners [like you say in revenge] it was planned years in advance, from the use of the police and security services to infiltrate and undermine the miners’ union to the manipulation of the courts and media to discredit and tie the hands of its leaders.

Sadly this is what the General Public saw, they never realised what was truly happening because of the Tory right wing press at the time.  A  typical piece of reporting you have just put up in a link, there's about 50 miners there being labelled flying Pickets block roads etc, now days a dozen protesters go and sit in the middle of the Road and stop traffic moving for hours, Ambulances, people trying to get on with their life, what do the Police Do, they bring them cups of tea.  The Miners wasn't Yobs Steve or Bully Boy's, how can anyone accuse someone of being The Enemy Within when all they are doing is defending their livelihoods and trying to put a roof over their head and feed their wife and Kids.

In the end Scargill was right Steve and they did shut the Coal mines [rightly or wrongly] and they used the Notts Miners with broken Promises and they used the tory right wing Press and the Police service to help achieve this