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Offline Hardy Boy

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2023, 06:09:PM »
How much blood is going to be at his house as compared to the CS? Any blood would be dry by the time his arrived home, it would be confined to the shower and washed away almost immediately.
Oh i agree, i just thought bleach destroyed Luminol testing but when i checked it still can be traced after Bleach washing.  There was no need to test his house, he wasn't under arrest or suspision at that time, they would have needed a warrant to do it anyway.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2023, 06:38:PM »
When we talk about claims being 'highly speculative' on here, one of the biggest ones is 'JB stomped through a crime scene battering and killing people at close quarters, but there is no trace of him because he got washed and he had time to dump his clothes and he didn't transfer any blood from other victims.. because erm.. erm.. because there wasn't much blood and he er.. erm.. and he got washed also'.
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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2023, 06:44:PM »
When we talk about claims being 'highly speculative' on here, one of the biggest ones is 'JB stomped through a crime scene battering and killing people at close quarters, but there is no trace of him because he got washed and he had time to dump his clothes and he didn't transfer any blood from other victims.. because erm.. erm.. because there wasn't much blood and he er.. erm.. and he got washed also'.
Who do you blame for not doing a thorough testing of the crime scene then Roch.  Bare in mind Jeremy never Bled or any had cuts?

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2023, 06:51:PM »
Who do you blame for not doing a thorough testing of the crime scene then Roch.  Bare in mind Jeremy never Bled or any had cuts?

Nobody ever explains how JB shot Sheila. What position he was in. How close was to her, where the blood would have splashed on his person etc. He was mobile in the scene, so should have transferred in the SC crime scene, at the very least.
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All I'm saying is, our side doesn't have a monopoly on fantasy and speculative theories regarding the crime.  JB's magic ability to not leave a trace is also highly speculative, and we get people talking about Ocam's Razor. Surely Ocam's Razor in this case is that he didn't carry out the crime. He's not marked and he didn't leave a trace and had no clothes to dispose of and had no blood to wash off because he wasn't there when it happened.
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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #19 on: August 10, 2023, 06:56:PM »
Nobody ever explains how JB shot Sheila. What position he was in. How close was to her, where the blood would have splashed on his person etc. He was mobile in the scene, so should have transferred in the SC crime scene, at the very least.
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All I'm saying is, our side doesn't have a monopoly on fantasy and speculative theories regarding the crime.  JB's magic ability to not leave a trace is also highly speculative, and we get people talking about Ocam's Razor. Surely Ocam's Razor in this case is that he didn't carry out the crime. He's not marked and he didn't leave a trace and had no clothes to dispose of and had no blood to wash off because he wasn't there when it happened.
Occams Razor concerning the case was put forward by QC,did you read his posts about it Roch?
;Applying Occams Razor'

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2023, 06:57:PM »
Nobody ever explains how JB shot Sheila. What position he was in. How close was to her, where the blood would have splashed on his person etc. He was mobile in the scene, so should have transferred in the SC crime scene, at the very least.
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All I'm saying is, our side doesn't have a monopoly on fantasy and speculative theories regarding the crime.  JB's magic ability to not leave a trace is also highly speculative, and we get people talking about Ocam's Razor. Surely Ocam's Razor in this case is that he didn't carry out the crime. He's not marked and he didn't leave a trace and had no clothes to dispose of and had no blood to wash off because he wasn't there when it happened.

By pulling the trigger?
'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2023, 07:04:PM »
By pulling the trigger?

Yes, Adam. I hadn't considered that.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2023, 07:04:PM »
Nobody ever explains how JB shot Sheila. What position he was in. How close was to her, where the blood would have splashed on his person etc. He was mobile in the scene, so should have transferred in the SC crime scene, at the very least.
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All I'm saying is, our side doesn't have a monopoly on fantasy and speculative theories regarding the crime.  JB's magic ability to not leave a trace is also highly speculative, and we get people talking about Ocam's Razor. Surely Ocam's Razor in this case is that he didn't carry out the crime. He's not marked and he didn't leave a trace and had no clothes to dispose of and had no blood to wash off because he wasn't there when it happened.
Any blood splashes if there was any would have been absorbed by clothing, he wasn't naked when he carried out the murders, if he was wearing gloves this too would have absorbed any blood if there was any, so any transferring of blood is quite virtually remote.  If he has a blood splash on a jumper or jeans that is soaked in, how would he transfer this to anyone else?  Then put this with an investigation that got labelled the Clouseau Squad and was convinced that Sheila had done it, the Bodies were at the Morgue before 3.30pm in full clothing on the day of the murders.  I'm not going down the road of saying Sheila was unmarked etc, weve been there before, you believe she was and i respect your views.  I thought with your initial post you was looking for blood in the wash basins at WHF or headstreet, he probably didn't need to wash blood off, just change and dispose?

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2023, 07:05:PM »
Occams Razor concerning the case was put forward by QC,did you read his posts about it Roch?
;Applying Occams Razor'

I would like to read that Snow.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2023, 07:07:PM »
Any blood splashes if there was any would have been absorbed by clothing, he wasn't naked when he carried out the murders, if he was wearing gloves this too would have absorbed any blood if there was any, so any transferring of blood is quite virtually remote.  If he has a blood splash on a jumper or jeans that is soaked in, how would he transfer this to anyone else?  Then put this with an investigation that got labelled the Clouseau Squad and was convinced that Sheila had done it, the Bodies were at the Morgue before 3.30pm in full clothing on the day of the murders.  I'm not going down the road of saying Sheila was unmarked etc, weve been there before, you believe she was and i respect your views.  I thought with your initial post you was looking for blood in the wash basins at WHF or headstreet, he probably didn't need to wash blood off, just change and dispose?

I understand the points you're making HB.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #25 on: August 10, 2023, 07:17:PM »
Any blood splashes if there was any would have been absorbed by clothing, he wasn't naked when he carried out the murders, if he was wearing gloves this too would have absorbed any blood if there was any, so any transferring of blood is quite virtually remote.  If he has a blood splash on a jumper or jeans that is soaked in, how would he transfer this to anyone else?  Then put this with an investigation that got labelled the Clouseau Squad and was convinced that Sheila had done it, the Bodies were at the Morgue before 3.30pm in full clothing on the day of the murders.  I'm not going down the road of saying Sheila was unmarked etc, weve been there before, you believe she was and i respect your views.  I thought with your initial post you was looking for blood in the wash basins at WHF or headstreet, he probably didn't need to wash blood off, just change and dispose?


It has been noted that our supporter friends have, on occasions, had JB dripping with his victims' blood.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #26 on: August 10, 2023, 07:27:PM »
Columbo is all about the well to do in LA. Rich and famous, high powered, privileged individuals. People at the forefront of science or talented musicians etc.
 
Kojack is far more grimey and gritty. A depressing New York full of hoods, drug addicts and sleaze.

Just a few thoughts!

Wasn't Bamber part of the well to do set? He'd have had Columbo.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #27 on: August 10, 2023, 07:32:PM »
Columbo is all about the well to do in LA. Rich and famous, high powered, privileged individuals. People at the forefront of science or talented musicians etc.
 
Kojack is far more grimey and gritty. A depressing New York full of hoods, drug addicts and sleaze.

Just a few thoughts!
Columbo was good, but you knew the murderer within the first few minutes.

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #28 on: August 10, 2023, 07:36:PM »
Occams Razor concerning the case was put forward by QC,did you read his posts about it Roch?
;Applying Occams Razor'

I replied to YOUR post about it, you didn't respond  ;D

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Re: Why did SOCO not use luminol when JB became a suspect?
« Reply #29 on: August 10, 2023, 07:36:PM »
Columbo was good, but you knew the murderer within the first few minutes.

Yeah, annoying that they told you!!