Sheila's blood on Jeremy's person (SC crime scene).

[Bubo bubo]

I had never thought of them as pellet marks.

Anyway, still no trace of JB transferring other adults' blood in the crime scene.

The mark on the underside of the Aga surround could be where a pellet lodged and it could have been this that AE pointed out to the police, strengthening their thoughts that they were being misled. It is also possible that they moved NB to search for pellets and not just to retrieve the fire debris.

Having possibly found one pellet AE would certainly have carried out a more thorough search given her inquisitive nature and she may have found more. No wonder the police may have brought in a metal detector and did a clean up in the first couple of days. Their kindness may have had an ulterior motive.

It seems a strange place to have a tiny round depression on the underside of the Aga surround.

They probably would not have thought to use the MD on the underside of the Aga surround.

Any chance of a clearer picture? Does BR have any more he can enlarge?

[Bubo bubo]

The mark on the underside of the Aga surround could be where a pellet lodged and it could have been this that AE pointed out to the police, strengthening their thoughts that they were being misled. It is also possible that they moved NB to search for pellets and not just to retrieve the fire debris.

Having possibly found one pellet AE would certainly have carried out a more thorough search given her inquisitive nature and she may have found more. No wonder the police may have brought in a metal detector and did a clean up in the first couple of days. Their kindness may have had an ulterior motive.

It seems a strange place to have a tiny round depression on the underside of the Aga surround.

They probably would not have thought to use the MD on the underside of the Aga surround.

Any chance of a clearer picture? Does BR have any more he can enlarge?

To develop my thinking further I offer the following.

June was not trying to Kill SC, rather she was trying to stop her from beating NB. She says she will shoot but SC in her psychotic state ignores her. June fires the 410 and SC is hit at the margins of the spray dispersal and or by ricochet.

June tends NB while SC runs away lightly injured. If the wounds were not deep she could have removed the pellets with tweezers and treated them with an antiseptic like iodine which stains yellow. She has also received a wound to her abdomen which she treats and covers with a plaster.

[Adam]

To develop my thinking further I offer the following.

June was not trying to Kill SC, rather she was trying to stop her from beating NB. She says she will shoot but SC in her psychotic state ignores her. June fires the 410 and SC is hit at the margins of the spray dispersal and or by ricochet.

June tends NB while SC runs away lightly injured. If the wounds were not deep she could have removed the pellets with tweezers and treated them with an antiseptic like iodine which stains yellow. She has also received a wound to her abdomen which she treats and covers with a plaster.

June shoots Sheila while she is fighting Nevill?

Sheila tends to her wounds with tweezers and a plaster while June tends to Nevill's injuries?

A pity Jeremy was not there to calm everything down.

[Bubo bubo]

To develop my thinking further I offer the following.

June was not trying to Kill SC, rather she was trying to stop her from beating NB. She says she will shoot but SC in her psychotic state ignores her. June fires the 410 and SC is hit at the margins of the spray dispersal and or by ricochet.

June tends NB while SC runs away lightly injured. If the wounds were not deep she could have removed the pellets with tweezers and treated them with an antiseptic like iodine which stains yellow. She has also received a wound to her abdomen which she treats and covers with a plaster.

I do not think June aimed at SC unless she was rushing towards her. It could have just been a warning shot possibly aimed at the Aga which would be the least likely object to be damaged. It could also have been an accidental discharge as they grappled for the rifle. In all these cases a wounded SC would have retreated IMO if at all possible. Stray pellets or ricochets may have broken the lampshade.

Question ; Could June have summoned the ambulance at 06.09 because she had wounded SC.

[Adam]

June summoned an ambulance at 6.09am because she had shot Sheila?

Wouldn't it be easier to open the door to the police outside?

[Steve_uk]

I do not think June aimed at SC unless she was rushing towards her. It could have just been a warning shot possibly aimed at the Aga which would be the least likely object to be damaged. It could also have been an accidental discharge as they grappled for the rifle. In all these cases a wounded SC would have retreated IMO if at all possible. Stray pellets or ricochets may have broken the lampshade.

Question ; Could June have summoned the ambulance at 06.09 because she had wounded SC.

That's another gem to add to my list.

[Bubo bubo]

June summoned an ambulance at 6.09am because she had shot Sheila?

Wouldn't it be easier to open the door to the police outside?

Was she aware they were there? Remember 'Met with no response'. Was she wounded herself?

[Adam]

Had June been shot 4 times when she shot Sheila?

[Adam]

Was she aware they were there? Remember 'Met with no response'. Was she wounded herself?

Think she would have been looking out for them and Jeremy. As Nevill had rang them.

Or heard the loud speaker and cars.

[Bubo bubo]

That's another gem to add to my list.

The CT claim there was a 999 call at that time.

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/journalist-resource.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9119.msg429922.html#msg429922

I cannot be the idiot you suggest if there is others making similar claims. Your lack of case knowledge is evident and do not suggest I am the only source of this information. An apology would be welcome.

[Bubo bubo]

Had June been shot 4 times when she shot Sheila?

It is a possibility but she may have had no wounds. I deal in possibilities I do not claim them as facts. I try to let people see that there may be a narrative that is just as viable as that offered by EP.

[Bubo bubo]

Think she would have been looking out for them and Jeremy. As Nevill had rang them.

Or heard the loud speaker and cars.

Not necessarily she was likely to be in shock and could have been in a location which did not allow for hearing the loud hailer. The front of the house had very thick walls we are constantly reminded. It would have become apparent after 15 mins that JB was not coming. Self preservation would be her priority.

[Steve_uk]

The CT claim there was a 999 call at that time.

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/journalist-resource.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,9119.msg429922.html#msg429922

I cannot be the idiot you suggest if there is others making similar claims. Your lack of case knowledge is evident and do not suggest I am the only source of this information. An apology would be welcome.

You're not getting an apology. I'm fully aware of the Jeremy Bamber Campaign Official Web Site. As usual you don't follow through with your ludicrous claims: why did nobody speak if anybody inside White House Farm managed to get to a telephone that morning, or is that just another hoop I must jump through?

[Bubo bubo]

You're not getting an apology. I'm fully aware of the Jeremy Bamber Campaign Official Web Site. As usual you don't follow through with your ludicrous claims: why did nobody speak if anybody inside White House Farm managed to get to a telephone that morning, or is that just another hoop I must jump through?

There was an open 999 line to the house. The police, given my narrative are not going to present such information to anyone especially if they spoke to June, who they claim was shot five times in bed and never left the bedroom.

[Steve_uk]

There was an open 999 line to the house. The police, given my narrative are not going to present such information to anyone especially if they spoke to June, who they claim was shot five times in bed and never left the bedroom.

What nonsense. This is even before they stormed the house, so you can't claim they shot somebody by mistake as you usually do. What possible motive do police have to conceal a conversation between themselves and June whilst the Raid Team are preparing to go in?