Sheila's blood on Jeremy's person (SC crime scene).

[Bubo bubo]

Whatever is the cause of the wounds, they could be responsible for some of the blood in the armpit area.

The WHF farm murders and the truth of what actually happened is like trying to do a 1000-piece jigsaw without the picture and missing pieces.

It is possible that the picture of SC’s arm and some tiny wounds may shed some light on matters and prove JB innocent.

Firstly, if SC shot herself on her own bed and fell backwards it is probable that there would be little blood flow. Gravity would mean that the blood would fill her gullet and lung cavities and her throat.

Whatever caused the marks shown would still bleed until death and questions would be asked as to what caused this staining in the armpit area. The wounds would have to be disclosed to answer this question.
The police would not wish to disclose this if they are shotgun pellet wounds and if they shot June by accident. This is true for both the cases. Four murders and a suicide and five murders.

In the first case, in my reasoning, they were trying to make it look as if June had no part in events. (see my posts). They could not disclose these wounds whatever they were especially if they were caused by shotgun pellets because that  would run counter to their central argument about June's inactivity in events of that night.

Therefore, the so called first shot to SC could and is possibly the most likely reason, despite my thoughts to the contrary. It could have been created to provide an answer to the staining on the nightdress armpit.

In the case of five murders if they are shotgun pellet wounds JB is innocent. The only way out would be for EP to claim he shot and wounded SC, with say a 410, before finishing her off in the location shown. That does not work because if he had already killed June and the others with the Anschutz it would not gel.

We do not have a clear image of this wounding. However, without knowing angles, distances etc. it makes diagnosis extremely difficult. From what we can see if they are pellet wounds it is possible there was other damage in the armpit area. See Attachment.

We need a better image and specialist ballistic wounds analyst.

[Bubo bubo]

The WHF farm murders and the truth of what actually happened is like trying to do a 1000-piece jigsaw without the picture and missing pieces.

It is possible that the picture of SC’s arm and some tiny wounds may shed some light on matters and prove JB innocent.

Firstly, if SC shot herself on her own bed and fell backwards it is probable that there would be little blood flow. Gravity would mean that the blood would fill her gullet and lung cavities and her throat.

Whatever caused the marks shown would still bleed until death and questions would be asked as to what caused this staining in the armpit area. The wounds would have to be disclosed to answer this question.
The police would not wish to disclose this if they are shotgun pellet wounds and if they shot June by accident. This is true for both the cases. Four murders and a suicide and five murders.

In the first case, in my reasoning, they were trying to make it look as if June had no part in events. (see my posts). They could not disclose these wounds whatever they were especially if they were caused by shotgun pellets because they would run counter to their central argument.

Therefore, the so called first shot to SC could and is possibly the most likely reason, despite my thoughts to the contrary. It could have been to provide an answer to the staining on the nightdress armpit.

In the case of five murders if they are shotgun pellet wounds JB is innocent. The only way out would be for EP to claim he shot and wounded SC, with say a 410, before finishing her off in the location shown. That does not work because if he had already killed June and the others with the Anschutz it would not gel.

We do not have a clear image of this wounding. However, without knowing angles, distances etc. it makes diagnosis extremely difficult. From what we can see if they are pellet wounds it is possible there was other damage in the armpit area. See Attachment.

We need a better image and specialist ballistic wounds analyst.

The more I view them the more I think they are pellet wounds and this little mark strengthens the argument

[Zoso]

The WHF farm murders and the truth of what actually happened is like trying to do a 1000-piece jigsaw without the picture and missing pieces.

And some people keep trying to shove pieces where they just don't fit.

[Steve_uk]

And some people keep trying to shove pieces where they just don't fit.

I have heard some tales in my time on this site. To name but a selection: Mike T. had a photograph of Sheila on the bed, police shot Sheila (or June, take your pick), police dressed June in a scarf, Nevill was involved in an illicit drugs deal growing opium, Nevill was the father of Daniel and Nicholas, Anthony Pargeter was the real perpetrator, Jeremy has a child in Chelmsford.

[Zoso]

I have heard some tales in my time on this site. To name but a selection: Mike T. had a photograph of Sheila on the bed, police shot Sheila (or June, take your pick), police dressed June in a scarf, Nevill was involved in an illicit drugs deal growing opium, Nevill was the father of Daniel and Nicholas, Anthony Pargeter was the real perpetrator, Jeremy has a child in Chelmsford.

Exactly! Now we have the police dressing up in overcoats and mackintosh's, three guns now being used, police moving Nevill and perching him on a chair with his pants down - and on and on ......

[Jane]

Exactly! Now we have the police dressing up in overcoats and mackintosh's, three guns now being used, police moving Nevill and perching him on a chair with his pants down - and on and on ......

Then of course, there's the group conflab to discuss how get get out of the situation they've created and keeping their noses clean. Group decision? Frame JB! All done and dusted!

[Bubo bubo]

Then of course, there's the group conflab to discuss how get get out of the situation they've created and keeping their noses clean. Group decision? Frame JB! All done and dusted!

The crime scene as created works for murder suicide. Everyone apart from SBJ agreed this. All they had to do to frame JB was create a 'mountain of circumstantial evidence' and say it was him. They already had a workable crime scene which had been crafted to cover up their error.  But it becomes harder where JB is the culprit because an extra adult has to be killed and we are left with having to believe that SC went calmly to her death.

[Bubo bubo]

I have heard some tales in my time on this site. To name but a selection: Mike T. had a photograph of Sheila on the bed, police shot Sheila (or June, take your pick), police dressed June in a scarf, Nevill was involved in an illicit drugs deal growing opium, Nevill was the father of Daniel and Nicholas, Anthony Pargeter was the real perpetrator, Jeremy has a child in Chelmsford.

Who claimed this. Source please.

[Steve_uk]

Who claimed this. Source please.

You claimed it yourself.

[Bubo bubo]

The crime scene as created works for murder suicide. Everyone apart from SBJ agreed this. All they had to do to frame JB was create a 'mountain of circumstantial evidence' and say it was him. They already had a workable crime scene which had been crafted to cover up their error. But it becomes harder where JB is the culprit because an extra adult has to be killed and we are left with having to believe that SC went calmly to her death.

The crime scene was crafted. There are multiple points where distraction techniques as used by magicians and pickpockets. They were employed to distract attention from the viewer so as to distract from alternative explanations.

This is a list
Childrens toys in the adults bed
A pair of blue socks placed on a purposeless rug.
A pair of shoes placed neatly on the corner of a bedroom rug.
A piece of broken rifle on an upturned rug near some cushions.
A twelve bore shotgun leaning against the study wall.
A second shot on an obvious suicide.
An elderly male victim straddling chairs with his head in a coal scuttle.

I do not mind being ridiculed my guiding principle is finding the truth of what really happened at WHF. I am a self actualised individual according to Maslow's theory. I will be the first to admit any errors in my thinking if proved rather than just scorned. Until then I will continue to define an alternative narrative one which shows JB to be innocent

[Bubo bubo]

You claimed it yourself.

No I did not you have misremembered. I suggested they may have put a scarf around SC's neck and going by what I am now suggesting may be true because of the pooled blood within her body. Please get the facts right

[Bubo bubo]

And some people keep trying to shove pieces where they just don't fit.

When completing a jigsaw I have found that you can indeed fit pieces temporarily in the wrong place however as one's efforts progress you complete other areas and you then realise your error and a leap forward in completion takes place. I am good at jigsaws by the way.

[Bubo bubo]

Then of course, there's the group conflab to discuss how get get out of the situation they've created and keeping their noses clean. Group decision? Frame JB! All done and dusted!

They never planned to frame JB it was forced upon them by the family possibly because they were informed by someone (a leak saying they had not been given the truth) or a drunken SBJ  or because of their own ability to piece together the lies they had been told about bodies on beds etc. and found things that suggested they had been deliberately misled. Perhaps they found a couple of shotgun pellets embedded somewhere.

[Steve_uk]

No I did not you have misremembered. I suggested they may have put a scarf around SC's neck and going by what I am now suggesting may be true because of the pooled blood within her body. Please get the facts right

Yes you're right, with the caveat that they are not established facts in the first place.

[Roch]

The WHF farm murders and the truth of what actually happened is like trying to do a 1000-piece jigsaw without the picture and missing pieces.

It is possible that the picture of SC’s arm and some tiny wounds may shed some light on matters and prove JB innocent.

Firstly, if SC shot herself on her own bed and fell backwards it is probable that there would be little blood flow. Gravity would mean that the blood would fill her gullet and lung cavities and her throat.

Whatever caused the marks shown would still bleed until death and questions would be asked as to what caused this staining in the armpit area. The wounds would have to be disclosed to answer this question.
The police would not wish to disclose this if they are shotgun pellet wounds and if they shot June by accident. This is true for both the cases. Four murders and a suicide and five murders.

In the first case, in my reasoning, they were trying to make it look as if June had no part in events. (see my posts). They could not disclose these wounds whatever they were especially if they were caused by shotgun pellets because that  would run counter to their central argument about June's inactivity in events of that night.

Therefore, the so called first shot to SC could and is possibly the most likely reason, despite my thoughts to the contrary. It could have been created to provide an answer to the staining on the nightdress armpit.

In the case of five murders if they are shotgun pellet wounds JB is innocent. The only way out would be for EP to claim he shot and wounded SC, with say a 410, before finishing her off in the location shown. That does not work because if he had already killed June and the others with the Anschutz it would not gel.

We do not have a clear image of this wounding. However, without knowing angles, distances etc. it makes diagnosis extremely difficult. From what we can see if they are pellet wounds it is possible there was other damage in the armpit area. See Attachment.

We need a better image and specialist ballistic wounds analyst.

I had never thought of them as pellet marks.

Anyway, still no trace of JB transferring other adults' blood in the crime scene.