Shelia scenario

[Steve_uk]

A bedroom phonecall from nevill on a phone adjacent to the bed to me does not suggest a matter of urgency.

A kitchen phonecall however shows nevill up and about out of the bedroom at an unearthly hour and more reinforces the view Bamber if gulity would want.

But Nevill didn't know how June would react to a noise from downstairs. It's suspicious to say the least that the bedroom telephone had been removed and it behoves the Bamberettes to acknowledge that.

[Adam]

A bedroom phonecall from nevill on a phone adjacent to the bed to me does not suggest a matter of urgency.

A kitchen phonecall however shows nevill up and about out of the bedroom at an unearthly hour and more reinforces the view Bamber if gulity would want.

That is your view. That would carry no weight in court.

Impossible to prove if Nevill had been running around WHF.

[Steve_uk]

No need to move telephones around just remove the chord from the master socket before going upstairs to shoot everyone.

He probably did just that. He had to be in a position to disable the telephones from downstairs though before anyone upstairs heard an intruder and had the capacity to use one.

[Adam]

One option Bamber would have if managing to kill Nevill in the bedroom, would be to take the kitchen phone off the hook.

This suggests Nevill had been downstairs in the panic.

[ILB]

As it stands if gulity Jeremy Bamber could have simply gone back to bourtree cottage, got a few hours sleep, and then either Him or the farm workers discover the tragedy at 7.30am that morning or near thereafter.

A phonecall from Bamber to police suggests if gulity he wanted to stage the scene.

[Adam]

However Nevill got downstairs. So he took the kitchen phone off the hook.

[ILB]

That is your view. That would carry no weight in court.

Impossible to prove if Nevill had been running around WHF.

Neither would Julie mugford if it happened today.

But we are discussing a case from 1986 ( trial)

[Steve_uk]

As it stands if gulity Jeremy Bamber could have simply gone back to bourtree cottage, got a few hours sleep, and then either Him or the farm workers discover the tragedy at 7.30am that morning or near thereafter.

A phonecall from Bamber to police suggests if gulity he wanted to stage the scene.

It suggests to me that Jeremy was obsessed with establishing an alibi and in effect made the police his.

[ILB]

He did if indeed gulity stage the scene

June and Shelia in the same room together

The Bible open

Knowing both had a over complicated relationship with religion

Suggests calculation

[Adam]

Nevill dying in the bedroom would give Bamber two phone options -

Take the kitchen phone off the hook.

Bring the kitchen phone into the bedroom and take it off the hook.

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Suspect he would want an off the hook phone in the same room as Nevill.

[ILB]

Nevill dying in the bedroom would give Bamber two phone options -

Take the kitchen phone off the hook.

Bring the kitchen phone into the bedroom and take it off the hook.

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Suspect he would want an off the hook phone in the same room as Nevill.

Bamber could drag nevill downstairs.

[ILB]

Nevill dying in the bedroom would give Bamber two phone options -

Take the kitchen phone off the hook.

Bring the kitchen phone into the bedroom and take it off the hook.

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Suspect he would want an off the hook phone in the same room as Nevill.

Realisms suggest Bamber could end nevill in that bedroom

[ILB]

Basic questions with easy answers.

You need to follow the crime scene evidence for a bullet proof Bamber scenario.

No point asking why things happened that happened.

I provided a bullet proof Shelia scenario.

According to you a murderous healthy fit 24 year old has problems performing a coup de grace upon his 61 year old, bad back suffering, sleeping, bewildered dad

With a loaded rifle!

[Adam]

Realisms suggest Bamber could end nevill in that bedroom

He nearly did.

[Adam]

Bamber could drag nevill downstairs.

Not sure about that. Nevill was 15 stone.

Why would he want to?