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Offline Adam

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #60 on: August 03, 2023, 05:29:PM »
Possibly

He did answer a lot of questions. To me that particular answer to that question was because he thought he was getting led up the garden path in some way

Because it's quite an innocuous question

Very much so -

Over 30 'No comments' & 'can't remembers'. Over 10 -don't knows' & 'can't say'.

Several one word answers as well as vague answers such as 'not really', 'I think so'  & 'less than 40 but more than 10 !'
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #61 on: August 03, 2023, 06:57:PM »
On what basis would he be wanting to degrade his father? He's supposed to be setting up a Sheila scenario. Why would he think that people would be drawn in by the notion of Sheila  wanting to degrade her father?  You talk about clutching at straws and this premise does exactly that.

He was placed in a position so that his backside was exposed to anyone entering the kitchen - you read it how you like. That's how he was 'displayed' - even YOU think he was placed there but EP would have no reason to display him in such away but a son with a grievance might - it's not the first time such things have happened.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #62 on: August 03, 2023, 07:03:PM »
Very much so -

Over 30 'No comments' & 'can't remembers'. Over 10 -don't knows' & 'can't say'.

Several one word answers as well as vague answers such as 'not really', 'I think so'  & 'less than 40 but more than 10 !'

How many t shirts do you own was a ridiculous question
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #63 on: August 03, 2023, 07:14:PM »
He was placed in a position so that his backside was exposed to anyone entering the kitchen - you read it how you like. That's how he was 'displayed' - even YOU think he was placed there but EP would have no reason to display him in such away but a son with a grievance might - it's not the first time such things have happened.

I expect it was gravity and expedience rather than deliberate. He was either toppled in to that position of lifted for some reason by several coppers. Why would Jeremy want to portray Sheila as having pulled her father's pyjama bottoms down?
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #64 on: August 03, 2023, 07:27:PM »
If yoou were shot in the head four times and you then fell to the floor,would your body curl up?

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #65 on: August 03, 2023, 07:49:PM »
I expect it was gravity and expedience rather than deliberate. He was either toppled in to that position of lifted for some reason by several coppers. Why would Jeremy want to portray Sheila as having pulled her father's pyjama bottoms down?
He didn't necessarily. He had a mental blank as he told Julie and momentarily lost control.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #66 on: August 03, 2023, 07:56:PM »
He didn't necessarily. He had a mental blank as he told Julie and momentarily lost control.
You said the police moved Nevill Steve.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #67 on: August 03, 2023, 08:05:PM »
You said the police moved Nevill Steve.
I'm saying Jeremy may have lost control of Nevill's state. If the marks on Nevill are from the Aga he may have been moved off that apparatus by police, though there was a suggestion that Jeremy had placed him behind the door deliberately. I don't know whether Nevill's flesh was exposed to the heat of the Aga for sufficient a time for the marks to be made.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2023, 08:11:PM »
I'm saying Jeremy may have lost control of Nevill's state. If the marks on Nevill are from the Aga he may have been moved off that apparatus by police, though there was a suggestion that Jeremy had placed him behind the door deliberately. I don't know whether Nevill's flesh was exposed to the heat of the Aga for sufficient a time for the marks to be made.

I don't follow.

If gulity Jeremy Bamber was only leaving the farmhouse satisfied everyone was dead.

What ever happened after ( police in WHF) is out of his control.

His primary focus is sticking to his story
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2023, 08:37:PM »
If it was possible for Nevill to fall & stay in the position in the photos, then that is what happened.

Otherwise Bamber lifted him into that position to burn his back and shoot his head.

Sheila was not strong enough to lift him.
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2023, 08:41:PM »
I'm saying Jeremy may have lost control of Nevill's state. If the marks on Nevill are from the Aga he may have been moved off that apparatus by police, though there was a suggestion that Jeremy had placed him behind the door deliberately. I don't know whether Nevill's flesh was exposed to the heat of the Aga for sufficient a time for the marks to be made.
Everyone's scenarios are all over the place at the moment.Not sure who thinks the police moved Nevill and who doesn't.Regarding this,you also have to decide when the final four head shots were inflicted.

What I am getting at is,if Nevill was moved to the scuttle after death and rigor mortis had set in,why is he curled up in a ball?
What I mean is,if JB shot and killed Nevill before he fell abainst the Aga,why did his body curl up?
Isn't that a strange position to fall into once yout stone dead after four head shots? And make no mistake about it,none of the four final head shots could have been inflicted once Nevill hit the floor lying on his right side,no way.

Sheila was shot in the brain and instantly fell down flat,June was shot twice in the head and was found in a similar pose.Why did Nevill curl up so tightly when he fell to the floor after his head shots,is this possible? Can instinct cause you to curl up with your knees touching your chin more or less without any brain function?

Knees tucked in and arms outstretched.Again,how could you stretch your arms out straight with no brain function to do so?
YET,for those of you who think Nevill was moved from the Aga by the police after rigor mortis had set in,this must indeed be the position he was lying in in front of the Aga.

Lucky that Nevill stretched both arms out in front of him after he was dead,this looks natural once he was moved to the scuttle with them hanging down towards the floor,just as gravity would have done had he died there.

No,I really dont think Nevill was moved by anyone,he was shot slumped over the scuttle with his arms hanging down.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #71 on: August 03, 2023, 08:42:PM »
I don't follow.

If gulity Jeremy Bamber was only leaving the farmhouse satisfied everyone was dead.

What ever happened after ( police in WHF) is out of his control.

His primary focus is sticking to his story
I'm sure Jeremy Bamber had a preconceived plan. But things didn't go to plan, to which the two shots to Sheila and the scuffle with Nevill attest.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #72 on: August 03, 2023, 08:48:PM »
Everyone's scenarios are all over the place at the moment.Not sure who thinks the police moved Nevill and who doesn't.Regarding this,you also have to decide when the final four head shots were inflicted.

What I am getting at is,if Nevill was moved to the scuttle after death and rigor mortis had set in,why is he curled up in a ball?
What I mean is,if JB shot and killed Nevill before he fell abainst the Aga,why did his body curl up?
Isn't that a strange position to fall into once yout stone dead after four head shots? And make no mistake about it,none of the four final head shots could have been inflicted once Nevill hit the floor lying on his right side,no way.

Sheila was shot in the brain and instantly fell down flat,June was shot twice in the head and was found in a similar pose.Why did Nevill curl up so tightly when he fell to the floor after his head shots,is this possible? Can instinct cause you to curl up with your knees touching your chin more or less without any brain function?

Knees tucked in and arms outstretched.Again,how could you stretch your arms out straight with no brain function to do so?
YET,for those of you who think Nevill was moved from the Aga by the police after rigor mortis had set in,this must indeed be the position he was lying in in front of the Aga.

Lucky that Nevill stretched both arms out in front of him after he was dead,this looks natural once he was moved to the scuttle with them hanging down towards the floor,just as gravity would have done had he died there.

No,I really dont think Nevill was moved by anyone,he was shot slumped over the scuttle with his arms hanging down.
But I thought you agreed with that Rochdale woman (can't recall her name for the moment) who claimed a triumphant breakthrough when she claimed the marks on Nevill's flesh were made by the Aga knob.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #73 on: August 03, 2023, 08:56:PM »
But I thought you agreed with that Rochdale woman (can't recall her name for the moment) who claimed a triumphant breakthrough when she claimed the marks on Nevill's flesh were made by the Aga knob.
If you are referring to Yvonne Hartley Steve,then yes and no.
Yes I agree that the Aga made the burn marks and no I dont think the police moved Nevill.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #74 on: August 03, 2023, 08:59:PM »
But I thought you agreed with that Rochdale woman (can't recall her name for the moment) who claimed a triumphant breakthrough when she claimed the marks on Nevill's flesh were made by the Aga knob.

If Nevil is lying against the Aga unconscious then Bamber would just finish him off where he lay, he would not mess about placing him over the chair etc. with all the risk this entails stepping in blood etc.

I am afraid Steve the Crown have no plausible JB scenario, absolutely no aspect is plausible please at least be honest.