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Offline Steve_uk

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #30 on: August 03, 2023, 02:49:PM »
I always thought if Jeremy was gulity he would have positioned nevill as close to the kitchen phone as possible to ' add creedence to his scenario '
Mike T. told us there was a lot of blood on the kitchen floor in that area. Jeremy couldn't risk leaving footprints in blood.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #31 on: August 03, 2023, 02:54:PM »
Mike T. told us there was a lot of blood on the kitchen floor in that area. Jeremy couldn't risk leaving footprints in blood.

Nevill was a heavy dead weight.

Was probably just a case of using the nearest available items to put him in position - chair & coal scuttle.

Nevill was then in the perfect position to have his back burnt and have more head shots.
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #32 on: August 03, 2023, 03:01:PM »
He left the kitchen phone off the hook as part of the stage.


That would not cut Jeremy's line

The phone call would still be live

If nevill for example was to " drop the phone"
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #33 on: August 03, 2023, 03:03:PM »
Nevill was a heavy dead weight.

Was probably just a case of using the nearest available items to put him in position - chair & coal scuttle.

Nevill was then in the perfect position to have his back burnt and have more head shots.

He could have shot him four more times in any particular area of the kitchen?
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #34 on: August 03, 2023, 03:04:PM »
He could have shot him four more times in any particular area of the kitchen?

So what was wrong with where he did shoot him?
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #35 on: August 03, 2023, 03:21:PM »
So what was wrong with where he did shoot him?

From a gulity Bamber scenario

" The phone went dead "

Do you believe Bamber wanted to create the impression nevill then got shot to death adding creedence to the telephone call, or he put the phone down to see to the urgent matter ?
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #36 on: August 03, 2023, 03:33:PM »
From a gulity Bamber scenario

" The phone went dead "

Do you believe Bamber wanted to create the impression nevill then got shot to death adding creedence to the telephone call, or he put the phone down to see to the urgent matter ?
It suited Jeremy not to have to embellish a story from a man far smarter than himself. One of the motives for the murder was he felt a total lack of empathy for any of them.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #37 on: August 03, 2023, 03:46:PM »
It suited Jeremy not to have to embellish a story from a man far smarter than himself. One of the motives for the murder was he felt a total lack of empathy for any of them.

But surely someone  who is not intelligent as you think Bamber isis going to try and embellish it? Are they not?

Even VanesiZ said it looked like " something off the TV "

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #38 on: August 03, 2023, 04:19:PM »
I'm pretty sure he just wanted to degrade his father and placed him in a position that would do just that.

On what basis would he be wanting to degrade his father? He's supposed to be setting up a Sheila scenario. Why would he think that people would be drawn in by the notion of Sheila  wanting to degrade her father?  You talk about clutching at straws and this premise does exactly that.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #39 on: August 03, 2023, 04:23:PM »
From a gulity Bamber scenario

" The phone went dead "

Do you believe Bamber wanted to create the impression nevill then got shot to death adding creedence to the telephone call, or he put the phone down to see to the urgent matter ?

In a Sheila scenario Nevill died a long time after ringing Bamber. So did not need to be near the kitchen phone.
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2023, 04:26:PM »
The kitchen fight was not planned.

So doubt Bamber instantly thought Nevill had to be near the phone. He wasn't that sharpe.

He just used the nearest things - chair, coal scuttle. 
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2023, 04:29:PM »
On what basis would he be wanting to degrade his father? He's supposed to be setting up a Sheila scenario. Why would he think that people would be drawn in by the notion of Sheila  wanting to degrade her father?  You talk about clutching at straws and this premise does exactly that.


I imagine JB's special grievance with Nevill was about being held back and not being valued in the way he felt he deserved.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2023, 04:38:PM »
The kitchen fight was not planned.

So doubt Bamber instantly thought Nevill had to be near the phone. He wasn't that sharpe.

He just used the nearest things - chair, coal scuttle.

Do you believe Bamber is completely thick all together?

You make it out that hed be unable to even tie his shoelaces without assistance
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2023, 04:40:PM »
But surely someone  who is not intelligent as you think Bamber isis going to try and embellish it? Are they not?

Even VanesiZ said it looked like " something off the TV "
He gave the bare bones of the crime to those gathered at Bourtree Cottage that first morning. He couldn't resist telling Ann Eaton that Sheila was "on the hard stuff" though.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #44 on: August 03, 2023, 04:42:PM »
On what basis would he be wanting to degrade his father? He's supposed to be setting up a Sheila scenario. Why would he think that people would be drawn in by the notion of Sheila  wanting to degrade her father?  You talk about clutching at straws and this premise does exactly that.
No, because he told Julie he'd had a mental blank during the crime and thus exacted revenge for all the perceived injustices of the past in that one moment.