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Offline Roch

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2023, 09:56:AM »
No, it was covered in blood. The Raid team had no reason to move him and the suggestion is beyond the pale.

There was no reason for JB to move him, and Sheila couldn't have moved him.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2023, 11:56:AM »
There was no reason for JB to move him, and Sheila couldn't have moved him.

The motives of a killer are unique to them but you're getting the idea as far as Sheila is concerned.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2023, 12:08:PM »
There was no reason for JB to move him, and Sheila couldn't have moved him.


But you're convinced of the police finding reason. Mmm?

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2023, 12:20:PM »
The motives of a killer are unique to them but you're getting the idea as far as Sheila is concerned.

I'm pretty sure the the killer's motives were to send her children to the other side, which she did by shooting them in the face while they slept.  If Sheila had survived, I expect that her legal team would have successfully argued for some kind of diminished responsibility.  With regards to the nitty gritty of her motives, that would have taken getting inside Sheila's head in the run up to the incident and during the incident.  Sheila would also need to be able to recall those raging delusions herself, something which she may have refused to do or been unable to do, had she survived.

It serves no purpose for Jeremy to move Nevill.  It doesn't implicate Sheila because she couldn't have moved Nevill herself.  Therefore, it can form no part of some imagined blame game on Sheila by Jeremy. I don't know whether Nevill was moved or toppled, or his position was some how accidental according to the laws of physics.. but at least I want to know.


But you're convinced of the police finding reason. Mmm?

What makes you think they didn't?  It was the police who had to force entry and the police who then managed the scene right up until the bodies were removed. 
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2023, 12:30:PM »
I'm pretty sure the the killer's motives were to send her children to the other side, which she did by shooting them in the face while they slept.  If Sheila had survived, I expect that her legal team would have successfully argued for some kind of diminished responsibility.  With regards to the nitty gritty of her motives, that would have taken getting inside Sheila's head in the run up to the incident and during the incident.  Sheila would also need to be able to recall those raging delusions herself, something which she may have refused to do or been unable to do, had she survived.

It serves no purpose for Jeremy to move Nevill.  It doesn't implicate Sheila because she couldn't have moved Nevill herself.  Therefore, it can form no part of some imagined blame game on Sheila by Jeremy. I don't know whether Nevill was moved or toppled, or his position was some how accidental according to the laws of physics.. but at least I want to know.

What makes you think they didn't?  It was the police who had to force entry and the police who then managed the scene right up until the bodies were removed.

Women with paranoid schizophrenia who kill, the victims often include their children, usually they are cleared of murder due to insanity, as in the case of Rainwell who killed three people with a hammer and a spade.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2023, 12:39:PM »
Women with paranoid schizophrenia who kill, the victims often include their children, usually they are cleared of murder due to insanity, as in the case of Rainwell who killed three people with a hammer and a spade.

He was a man who killed adults I think?

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2023, 12:41:PM »
He was a man who killed adults I think?

Yes he had paranoid schizophrenia as Sheila did, and was cleared of murder even though extreme violence was used.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2023, 01:31:PM »
Women with paranoid schizophrenia who kill, the victims often include their children, usually they are cleared of murder due to insanity, as in the case of Rainwell who killed three people with a hammer and a spade.


Was he medicated?

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2023, 01:38:PM »
I'm pretty sure the the killer's motives were to send her children to the other side, which she did by shooting them in the face while they slept.  If Sheila had survived, I expect that her legal team would have successfully argued for some kind of diminished responsibility.  With regards to the nitty gritty of her motives, that would have taken getting inside Sheila's head in the run up to the incident and during the incident.  Sheila would also need to be able to recall those raging delusions herself, something which she may have refused to do or been unable to do, had she survived.

It serves no purpose for Jeremy to move Nevill.  It doesn't implicate Sheila because she couldn't have moved Nevill herself.  Therefore, it can form no part of some imagined blame game on Sheila by Jeremy. I don't know whether Nevill was moved or toppled, or his position was some how accidental according to the laws of physics.. but at least I want to know.

What makes you think they didn't?  It was the police who had to force entry and the police who then managed the scene right up until the bodies were removed.

I always thought if Jeremy was gulity he would have positioned nevill as close to the kitchen phone as possible to ' add creedence to his scenario '
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2023, 01:46:PM »
I always thought if Jeremy was gulity he would have positioned nevill as close to the kitchen phone as possible to ' add creedence to his scenario '
Excellent point

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2023, 02:13:PM »
I'm pretty sure the the killer's motives were to send her children to the other side, which she did by shooting them in the face while they slept.  If Sheila had survived, I expect that her legal team would have successfully argued for some kind of diminished responsibility.  With regards to the nitty gritty of her motives, that would have taken getting inside Sheila's head in the run up to the incident and during the incident.  Sheila would also need to be able to recall those raging delusions herself, something which she may have refused to do or been unable to do, had she survived.

It serves no purpose for Jeremy to move Nevill.  It doesn't implicate Sheila because she couldn't have moved Nevill herself.  Therefore, it can form no part of some imagined blame game on Sheila by Jeremy. I don't know whether Nevill was moved or toppled, or his position was some how accidental according to the laws of physics.. but at least I want to know.

What makes you think they didn't?  It was the police who had to force entry and the police who then managed the scene right up until the bodies were removed.

I'm pretty sure he just wanted to degrade his father and placed him in a position that would do just that.

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2023, 02:19:PM »
I'm pretty sure he just wanted to degrade his father and placed him in a position that would do just that.

It could be argued he was angered by his and nevills struggle/fight
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2023, 02:23:PM »
I always thought if Jeremy was gulity he would have positioned nevill as close to the kitchen phone as possible to ' add creedence to his scenario '

He left the kitchen phone off the hook as part of the stage.

How much nearer could he put Nevill?
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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2023, 02:30:PM »
Women with paranoid schizophrenia who kill, the victims often include their children, usually they are cleared of murder due to insanity, as in the case of Rainwell who killed three people with a hammer and a spade.

He was NOT taking any medication.

https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/alexander-lewis-ranwell-profile-insane-8524236

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Re: Why didn't police make the coal scuttle an exhibit?
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2023, 02:44:PM »
It was literally covered in blood, it was probably thrown out in the clean up, when they thought Sheila was the killer.

Simple hosepipe job!
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