Prof' Herbert Leon McDonnel - whoever moved hand from neck to gun, murdered her.

[mike tesko]

Prof' H. l. McDonnel was a leading bloodstain expert, who came to certain conclusions once he examined crime scene  pictures taken of Sheila Caffell. (1) The fingers of Sheila's right hand were pressed against the non fatal neck wound soon after she was initially shot, (2) whoever killed her, shot her for a second time under the chin, (3) the person responsible for killing her, then placed the rifle on her body, and placed her hand on the gun - lets get some facts right before we go any further, (a) PC Bird did not take any pictures of Sheila, until after 10am, (b)when PS Adams viewed Sheila's body in the bedroom at about 9am, there was no gun on the body, (c) the gun that was eventually photographed on the body after 10am, had been spotted leaning against the bedroom window, by WPC Julia Jeapes (7.15am), so based upon the conclusions. Aforementioned, the only people who could have killed Sheila, if she did not take her own life, were the police - so, contrary to what Hartley has said on a different thread about there being no expert evidence to support anything I say, think again, because according to Prof' McDonnell's findings, the police are responsible for her death...

[Hartley]

Absolute crap.

Let people read the report and decide for themselves.

Here's a link to the thread containing the initial report:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,264.0.html

[mike tesko]

Absolute crap.

Let people read the report and decide for themselves.

Here's a link to the thread containing the initial report:

http://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,264.0.html

... The only one talking absolute crap is you - that report was made on the understanding that police found Sheila's body like that, he did not know police had stage managed it, beforehand (fact)...

[Hartley]

Erm yes okay Mike. So let me get this straight, you've tried to use the report to implicate the police, then when I point out that it says no such thing, you try to suggest the report is inaccurate?

As you please.

[Enigma]

Wow, isn't it absolutely astonishing what Prof. Herbert Leon McDonnel can conclude from viewing photos.
In fact it's almost unbelievable.
In fact it just absolutely frigging ridiculous.

If Prof. Herbert concluded all that from photos then his a right herbert!

[Hartley]

Hmmmm, you're not helping PB   

[Enigma]

Not trying to help Harts .... just commenting on what Mike said Prof. Herb had concluded!

[grahameb]

Hmmmm, you're not helping PB   

You'd better remind him he's on your side Hartley.

[Roch]

Both Jeremy Bamber and Essex Police are masters at the game of double bluff. 

The former invites a blood pattern expert to look at photographs of his murder vicitm, on the off-chance that the expert might call it wrong and declare the victim a suicide.

The latter attempts to bury police logs forever (managing to reach a very respectable 18 years in the process) simply to hide a mistake that was by made due to an officer looking through a window...

It's hard to decide who is the best at this game.  Jeremy bamber or Essex Police?

[Hartley]

One word: obtuse. 

You seem to have stopped looking at the evidence and started dribbling Rochy, I don't care if you have a different view, that's fine. But when you start posting things in support of JB (or against) which amount to nothing but commentry, I don't really know how to respond to it, or whether I even should. 

[mike tesko]

Erm yes okay Mike. So let me get this straight, you've tried to use the report to implicate the police, then when I point out that it says no such thing, you try to suggest the report is inaccurate?

As you please.

... Police stage managed Sheila's body in the bedroom, PC Bird then took pictures, Prof' McDonnell then examined pictures and arrived at certain conclusions, based upon those pictures showing the position of Sheila's body undisturbed - which has serious implications on any findings. McDonnell concludes that whoever moved Sheila's hand from her neck to the gun killed her - work it out for yourself, who do you think moved her hand? Who do you think moved the gun from the window at 7.15am, onto the body? Why would PS Adams say he had no recollection of a gun being on Sheila's body, if there was a gun on the body at that time? Read McDonnells report and his findings, bearing in mind that he was deceived into believing those pictures represented how Sheila's body was found when the police first got into the farmhouse, not that the pictures only represented how Sheila's body ended up by 10 am, after police stage managed her body - the jury were also victims of the same deception, and as such, the convictions are unsafe and should be quashed...

[curiousessex]

According to the book 'Blood Relations', page 314,  Prof MacDonell wrote 'There is no question as to the manner of death of Sheila Caffell. She did not commit suicide but, like the other four victims, was shot dead by someone else.'

As I understand it the defence continue to claim that it was Sheila who commited the murders and then suicide. These claims would be consistent with the alleged telephone call from Nevill to Jeremy for which Jeremy advised the police 'Father phoned (Age 62) "Please come over your sister has gone crazy + has the gun" Phone went dead'

It should be noted, according to the book, the report from Prof MacDonell was paid for by the publishers of the book at Jeremy's request for being involved with the preparation of the book.

(It should be noted the book has transpired to be very accurate in terms of Jeremy's witness and suspect statements which have recently been made available on the forum)

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I thought the photographer in a statement which is available on the forum, confirms he moved Sheila's arm / hand in order to take a picture of the blood stain on her nightdress. The blood stain (some smudged finger marks) where being obscured by Sheila's arm for the purpose of the scene of crime photographs. 

[grahameb]

One word: obtuse. 

You seem to have stopped looking at the evidence and started dribbling Rochy, I don't care if you have a different view, that's fine. But when you start posting things in support of JB (or against) which amount to nothing but commentry, I don't really know how to respond to it, or whether I even should. 

One problem with your arguments Hartley.....I have to keep consulting a dictionary when I read your posts.

[Hartley]

Sorry 

[Hartley]

Erm yes okay Mike. So let me get this straight, you've tried to use the report to implicate the police, then when I point out that it says no such thing, you try to suggest the report is inaccurate?

As you please.

... Police stage managed Sheila's body in the bedroom, PC Bird then took pictures, Prof' McDonnell then examined pictures and arrived at certain conclusions, based upon those pictures showing the position of Sheila's body undisturbed - which has serious implications on any findings. McDonnell concludes that whoever moved Sheila's hand from her neck to the gun killed her - work it out for yourself, who do you think moved her hand? Who do you think moved the gun from the window at 7.15am, onto the body? Why would PS Adams say he had no recollection of a gun being on Sheila's body, if there was a gun on the body at that time? Read McDonnells report and his findings, bearing in mind that he was deceived into believing those pictures represented how Sheila's body was found when the police first got into the farmhoure, not that the pictures only represented how Sheila's body ended up by 10 am, after police stage managed her body - the jury were also victims of the same deception, and as such, the convictions are unsafe and should be quashed...

No Mike, he doesn't, but I'm bored of repeating myself, I posted a link to his report above, people can make their own minds up. Also yet again though, you are using an unsubstantiated theory to prove an unsubstantiated theory, but it doesn't matter. Carry on.