David Boutflour WS's.

[Adam]

Did Jeremy just cut off Mike completely?

Or did Mike cut off contact with Jeremy ?

Mike posted Bamber's letter to him on here. Asking for the forum to be closed down.

[Steve_uk]

I think Jeremy was indeed selfish with Mike. Who put a lot of time and effort for him.

Jeremy doesn't associate with people unless they're of use to him.

[Bubo bubo]

Jeremy doesn't associate with people unless they're of use to him.

More 'A' class mind reading.

[Steve_uk]

More 'A' class mind reading.

..and your scenarios have more than a hint of prestidigitation contained therein.

[ILB]

Jeremy doesn't associate with people unless they're of use to him.

So you're saying Mike was completely useless then?

[Steve_uk]

So you're saying Mike was completely useless then?

If I had to guess I'd say the Forum became an irritant to him, especially after the "clever bastard" anecdote.

[Jane]

If I had to guess I'd say the Forum became an irritant to him, especially after the "clever bastard" anecdote.

Mike revelled in that, didn't he -I believe his sentencing judge said something along the same lines-
 although I'm not certain he saw the irony.

[Bubo bubo]

..and your scenarios have more than a hint of prestidigitation contained therein.

I only have one theory in two parts. The cover-up and the framing. MT had a range of issues which he signalled as problematic but his main thinking revolved around the accidental shooting of SC when extracting the rifle and he believed she was still alive from the so called first shot which was initially non fatal.

I have made adjustments to my theory as new evidence has come to light but the main thrust of my argument has not changed. Like Maynard  Keynes if the facts change I change.

Although MT's behaviour was in some ways detrimental to JB's case, his greatest gift was to upload a mountain of documentation that could be used by others to investigate the case. RIP Mike.

I have yet to be asked to join the magic circle but maybe you could join Derren Brown on his next tour

[Jane]

I only have one theory in two parts. The cover-up and the framing. MT had a range of issues which he signalled as problematic but his main thinking revolved around the accidental shooting of SC when extracting the rifle and he believed she was still alive from the so called first shot which was initially non fatal.

I have made adjustments to my theory as new evidence has come to light but the main thrust of my argument has not changed. Like Maynard  Keynes if the facts change I change.

Although MT's behaviour was in some ways detrimental to JB's case, his greatest gift was to upload a mountain of documentation that could be used by others to investigate the case. RIP Mike.

I'm more interested in seeing what MT chose NOT to post. I suspect he only posted that which could/might show JB to be innocent. MT had his own agenda regarding police.

[Steve_uk]

I only have one theory in two parts. The cover-up and the framing. MT had a range of issues which he signalled as problematic but his main thinking revolved around the accidental shooting of SC when extracting the rifle and he believed she was still alive from the so called first shot which was initially non fatal.

I have made adjustments to my theory as new evidence has come to light but the main thrust of my argument has not changed. Like Maynard  Keynes if the facts change I change.

Although MT's behaviour was in some ways detrimental to JB's case, his greatest gift was to upload a mountain of documentation that could be used by others to investigate the case. RIP Mike.

I have yet to be asked to join the magic circle but maybe you could join Derren Brown on his next tour

The murder weapon was stiff.  Strange that the last bullet contained therein discharged and killed Sheila. Your June scenario is also risible.

[Bubo bubo]

The murder weapon was stiff.  Strange that the last bullet contained therein discharged and killed Sheila. Your June scenario is also risible.

Why?

[Steve_uk]

Why?

Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Ballistics manipulation
« on: July 28, 2023, 09:12:PM »
Quote from: Bubo bubo on July 28, 2023, 08:56:PM
Ok I trust if I return the favour you will not respond and take it with a pinch of salt. The police did not shoot Sheila she committed suicide. They desecrated her corpse. Lets agree my position without distortion by language use. Thanks
But you said police shot her in the neck after she committed suicide. Why would they do that and can you name any of the protagonists in the case who agree that Sheila was suicidal?

Your post:

I believe the original scenario which they planned involved a restaging and included the shooting of Sheila by June in some manner. For this it required Sheila to be shot with two different weapons. They shot her in the neck after she had committed suicide calling it the first shot.

[Bubo bubo]

Jeremy Bamber Case Discussion / Re: Ballistics manipulation
« on: July 28, 2023, 09:12:PM »
Quote from: Bubo bubo on July 28, 2023, 08:56:PM
Ok I trust if I return the favour you will not respond and take it with a pinch of salt. The police did not shoot Sheila she committed suicide. They desecrated her corpse. Lets agree my position without distortion by language use. Thanks
But you said police shot her in the neck after she committed suicide. Why would they do that and can you name any of the protagonists in the case who agree that Sheila was suicidal?

Your post:

I believe the original scenario which they planned involved a restaging and included the shooting of Sheila by June in some manner. For this it required Sheila to be shot with two different weapons. They shot her in the neck after she had committed suicide calling it the first shot.

By way of explanation. If it was known that June was alive before entry and SC had obviously deceased her by some margin in time people would question who shot June especially if she had a few survivable wounds if any at all. By faking a survivable wound on a deceased SC they could argue one of two things.

1 That June had shot SC in some kind of struggle and thinking her dead dropped her guard only for a Stunned SC (PV's initial autopsy wording) to recover and kill June.

2 SC abandoned her attempts to get at June who was sheltering in the box room with a shotgun. Having failed, she tried to commit suicide . That SC herself had made an error in her first suicide attempt. June had approached her to check for whether she had survived only to be shot by SC then killing herself with a second shot.

Do not forget in the first few hours EP did not know whether any pathologist assigned to the case would be sympathetic to an accidental shooting. or what else might emerge or that the family would get very involved or how they could/might play this at the inquest. It was all very early  hours and they had to come up with some sort of plan.

If June had no other injuries except for the shot between the eyes that would be hellish. Remember also that the original case file remains undisclosed and even if police outside knew June was alive a plausible explanation for her demise would be required to satisfy them that everything was 'Kosher'.

[Steve_uk]

By way of explanation. If it was known that June was alive before entry and SC had obviously deceased her by some margin in time people would question who shot June especially if she had a few survivable wounds if any at all. By faking a survivable wound on a deceased SC they could argue one of two things.

1 That June had shot SC in some kind of struggle and thinking her dead dropped her guard only for a Stunned SC (PV's initial autopsy wording) to recover and kill June.

2 SC abandoned her attempts to get at June who was sheltering in the box room with a shotgun. Having failed, she tried to commit suicide . That SC herself had made an error in her first suicide attempt. June had approached her to check for whether she had survived only to be shot by SC then killing herself with a second shot

Do not forget in the first few hours EP did not know whether any pathologist assigned to the case would be sympathetic to an accidental shooting. or what else might emerge or that the family would get very involved or how they could/might play this at the inquest. It was all very early  hours and they had to come up with some sort of plan.

If June had no other injuries except for the shot between the eyes that would be hellish. Remember also that the original case file remains undisclosed and even if police outside knew June was alive a plausible explanation for her demise would be required to satisfy them that everything was 'Kosher'

Well at least your beliefs are sincerely held, however wacky they may appear to some.

[ILB]

Surely there should be an update from the CCRC now...