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Offline Zoso

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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #300 on: August 02, 2023, 12:37:PM »
It is. But to follow that line of enquiry, the police would need to ignore all the evidence at the scene, which implicated Sheila. There is a file on Sheila as the killer that has never been released.

Why would it be? She wasn't on trial. How would you like it if you were suspected of murder but the police found the real perp. However, at his trial, the defence read out the file they had on you?

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« Reply #301 on: August 02, 2023, 12:43:PM »
It is. But to follow that line of enquiry, the police would need to ignore all the evidence at the scene, which implicated Sheila. There is a file on Sheila as the killer that has never been released.

Was that created by Mike?
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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #302 on: August 02, 2023, 01:43:PM »
Why would it be? She wasn't on trial. How would you like it if you were suspected of murder but the police found the real perp. However, at his trial, the defence read out the file they had on you?

They had a legal responsibility to release to the defence, any evidence they had collated that Sheila was responsible. They have 'disappeared' the case file in question.

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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #303 on: August 02, 2023, 01:44:PM »
They had a legal responsibility to release to the defence, any evidence they had collated that Sheila was responsible. They have 'disappeared' the case file in question.

Sheila wasn't on trial, no matter how much you would like her to be.

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« Reply #304 on: August 02, 2023, 01:47:PM »
Sheila wasn't on trial, no matter how much you would like her to be.

They had a legal and moral duty to disclose evidence that is exculpatory towards Jeremy.

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« Reply #305 on: August 02, 2023, 04:15:PM »
They had a legal and moral duty to disclose evidence that is exculpatory towards Jeremy.

To test or not to test that is the question?


Taff Jones was only interested in testing samples to confirm his diagnosis of ‘A Domestic’. It is therefore not surprising that he sent very little by way of samples to the lab. When the case changed to 5 murders they had a problem.

They had to be sure that any testing did not produce a result which would uncover their deception. Therefore it is possible that any item for which the origin of the blood was debateable or provided evidence that disproved their narrative was not sent for testing.

The bible is a classic example. It could have been spotted with blood from June (most likely), Sheila by contamination but also Neville if June had taken it downstairs to say prayers for him or she transferred his blood to it having touched him

I would also draw attention to DRH 45 & DRH 48

In his statements DRH lists items he collected on 9th August. I will not list them all.

DRH43      .22 Bullet case missed on previous search

DRH44       Paperback Bible

DRH45      Blood stained under sheet from bed in main bedroom

DRH46      Piece of blood stained wall paper.

DRH47      Blood scraping from stained carpet outside main bedroom

DRH48      Blood stained calendar from floor in kitchen near coal scuttle
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DRH49      Blood scraping from carpet on landing outside SC’s bedroom

If you examine John Haywards Specimen Testing list you will see that the items in red are conspicuous by their absence

It also appears that despite the huge amounts of blood in the kitchen none was tested. Of course by starting a new case file they could easily exclude much information which would have undermined their case. It is possible that Taff sent these to the lab in the first instance and all the documentation including results are in the original case file. Were there other items collected by another SOCO that were only used in the original case? They made a huge mistake with DB2 Fire debris.

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« Last Edit: August 02, 2023, 05:13:PM by Bubo bubo »

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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #306 on: August 02, 2023, 04:17:PM »
They had a legal and moral duty to disclose evidence that is exculpatory towards Jeremy.

How many trials have you seen/heard of where another suspect is discussed in details?

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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #307 on: August 02, 2023, 04:38:PM »
June taking the rifle into the kitchen to say prayers to Nevill.

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Was this before or after she had been shot 4 times by Sheila?
« Last Edit: August 02, 2023, 04:59:PM by Adam »
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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #308 on: August 02, 2023, 04:45:PM »
Sheila wasn't on trial, no matter how much you would like her to be.

She wasn't but from a defence perspective she was the only viable suspect they could put forward

Jeremy Bamber himself locked himself to that narrative. By saying he had a phonecall from nevill saying Shelia had gone ape shit with a gun. Either innocent or gulity
« Last Edit: August 02, 2023, 07:13:PM by ILB »
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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #309 on: August 02, 2023, 05:15:PM »
To test or not to test that is the question?


Taff Jones was only interested in testing samples to confirm his diagnosis of ‘A Domestic’. It is therefore not surprising that he sent very little by way of samples to the lab. When the case changed to 5 murders they had a problem.

They had to be sure that any testing did not produce a result which would uncover their deception. Therefore it is possible that any item for which the origin of the blood was debateable or provided evidence that disproved their narrative was not sent for testing.

The bible is a classic example. It could have been spotted with blood from June (most likely), Sheila by contamination but also Neville if June had taken it downstairs to say prayers for him or she transferred his blood to it having touched him

I would also draw attention to DRH 45 & DRH 48

In his statements DRH lists items he collected on 9th August. I will not list them all.

DRH43      .22 Bullet case missed on previous search

DRH44       Paperback Bible

DRH45      Blood stained under sheet from bed in main bedroom

DRH46      Piece of blood stained wall paper.

DRH47      Blood scraping from stained carpet outside main bedroom

DRH48      Blood stained calendar from floor in kitchen near coal scuttle
.

DRH49      Blood scraping from carpet on landing outside SC’s bedroom

If you examine John Haywards Specimen Testing list you will see that the items in red are conspicuous by their absence

It also appears that despite the huge amounts of blood in the kitchen none was tested. Of course by starting a new case file they could easily exclude much information which would have undermined their case. It is possible that Taff sent these to the lab in the first instance and all the documentation including results are in the original case file. Were there other items collected by another SOCO that were only used in the original case? They made a huge mistake with DB2 Fire debris.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260.0;attach=836;image
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260.0;attach=838;image
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260.0;attach=840;image
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260.0;attach=842;image
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260.0;attach=844;image
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260.0;attach=846;image
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=260.0;attach=848;image
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I have now copied all the pages of John Halward's specimen testing list

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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #310 on: August 03, 2023, 01:53:PM »
Why dont you send them all your evidence Bubo,let them check it out.
Couldn't do any harm,the team have all the available documentation to study.

Thinking again I don't think BuboBubo could join the CT. His conspiracy theories are too unreal. Even for them.

Bamber quickly stopped Trudies vlogs and asked Mike to close this forum as they were doing more harm than good.

He would have kittens if BuboBubo was let loose within the CT.

The only other option is to go solo. That's going well for Bill.

At least on here Zoso and Roch respond to his theories.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2023, 01:57:PM by Adam »
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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #311 on: August 03, 2023, 02:01:PM »
Thinking again I don't think BuboBubo could join the CT. His theories are too unreal. Even for them.

Bamber quickly stopped Trudies vlogs and asked Mike to close this forum as they were doing more harm than good.

He would have kittens if BuboBubo was let loose within the CT.

The only other option is to go solo. That's going well for Bill.

At least on here Zoso and Roch respond to his theories.

And you think your ridiculous arguments strengthen the case for guilt. I am sure he would be pleased at my suggestion of the source of the Aga burns, the swappedPV20,  Numerous examples of witness Statement tampering. Proving police found SM on the same day. etc.etc.

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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #312 on: August 03, 2023, 02:10:PM »
Thinking again I don't think BuboBubo could join the CT. His conspiracy theories are too unreal. Even for them.

Bamber quickly stopped Trudies vlogs and asked Mike to close this forum as they were doing more harm than good.

He would have kittens if BuboBubo was let loose within the CT.

I think at the age of 62 and with time slipping by I imagine he just wants to get out by any means necessary
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Re: David Boutflour WS's.
« Reply #313 on: August 03, 2023, 02:12:PM »
It was always optimistic Bamber trying to get this forum closed down.

Mike was much too far gone.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2023, 02:14:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #314 on: August 03, 2023, 02:14:PM »
And you think your ridiculous arguments strengthen the case for guilt. I am sure he would be pleased at my suggestion of the source of the Aga burns, the swappedPV20,  Numerous examples of witness Statement tampering. Proving police found SM on the same day. etc.etc.

I just go by the evidence and WS's.

No invented scenarios, crime scenes and staging.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2023, 02:15:PM by Adam »
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