David Boutflour WS's.

[David1819]

I know there isn't a police conspiracy against Jeremy Bamber Dave. I am not championing the theory.

Police corruption did exist in the 1970s and 1980s. ( Still does today ) However I don't believe it did in this case  And have stated my reason why above

Precisely

[David1819]

It's reassuring to know that authorities go out of their way to place evidence at Kew, sealed or decades, but which has no evidential value to the defence. Likewise, presumably the destroyed nightdress would have yielded nothing useful to the defence. I could go on.

All DPP cases from 1846 till 2002 are in the national archives.  I guess the entire prison population has been framed then!

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C87

[Roch]

All DPP cases from 1846 till 2002 are in the national archives.  I guess the entire prison population has been framed then!

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C87

How many decades do they remain sealed?

[Bubo bubo]

I don't think the family got stuck in the frame as such. They are kind of the orchestra. In so for which they basically got the second investigation going.

I actually think even if we take the scenario of finding the silencer out of the equation and julie mugford. And hypothetically Jeremy Bamber remained a free man with his inheritance. They would have ostracized Jeremy and tried to bring proceedings against him through a civil claim private prosecution.

There seems to be a strong dislike of Jeremy

Yes they did. They claimed to have found the SM on the tenth so that it was available for the first trip to the FSS. The truth I believe is they manufactured the replacement and handed it in in September. It is likely that they new RB had the same blood grouping by this time and could have used that info to contaminate it. I believe this is a more likely method than using water contaminated by period blood.
The point is the police would not do a go it alone framing. They would only have organised it if the family was also culpable. They would want them to 'get their hand dirty too'.

[Roch]

If I remember correctly, Patti, who is/was a very case knowledgeable supporter, also doesn't believe in there being a police fit up. I understand ILB doesn't see himself as a supporter but the spectrum of supporters does seem to include those who believe the police convicted the wrong person out of genuine motives, presumably due to relatives and Julie Mugford evidence. 

[Bubo bubo]

The family are the only ones who claim they found the SM. There is no corroborating evidence from the solicitor who was present on that day or reference to it being found by BW who found the last dial number phone on that same day. Surely when she found the phone it would have been mentioned.

[Bubo bubo]

If I remember correctly, Patti, who is/was a very case knowledgeable supporter, also doesn't believe in there being a police fit up. I understand ILB doesn't see himself as a supporter but the spectrum of supporters does seem to include those who believe the police convicted the wrong person out of genuine motives, presumably due to relatives and Julie Mugford evidence.

Then for what reason did they move NB's body? Are you suggesting that some think it was due to Noble cause?

[Zoso]

Then for what reason did they move NB's body? Are you suggesting that some think it was due to Noble cause?

There is no evidence that they did.

[Bubo bubo]

The only real evidence against JB is the SM and JM's testimony. The rest is a smorgasbord  of circumstantial evidence. It also remains that there is still a large amount of undisclosed documentation including the original four murders and a suicide case file which the CT have identified from existing paperwork If the police have nothing to hide just give it up and they can rid themselves of the case entirely.

[Bubo bubo]

There is no evidence that they did.

There is it remains to be seen whether this is accepted.

[ILB]

If I remember correctly, Patti, who is/was a very case knowledgeable supporter, also doesn't believe in there being a police fit up. I understand ILB doesn't see himself as a supporter but the spectrum of supporters does seem to include those who believe the police convicted the wrong person out of genuine motives, presumably due to relatives and Julie Mugford evidence.

Jeremy Bamber is either one of the most unluckiest men in the world. Or one of the most evil. The latter meaning not just about the crime in itself but his having people run about for him and all along him knowing he is gulity as sin

[ILB]

Yes they did. They claimed to have found the SM on the tenth so that it was available for the first trip to the FSS. The truth I believe is they manufactured the replacement and handed it in in September. It is likely that they new RB had the same blood grouping by this time and could have used that info to contaminate it. I believe this is a more likely method than using water contaminated by period blood.
The point is the police would not do a go it alone framing. They would only have organised it if the family was also culpable. They would want them to 'get their hand dirty too'.

DS Jones didn't like Jeremy from the outset.

' were not happy about this bloke, this isnt a bloke grieving, he is an oddball'

A little bit prediuiced yes

[Zoso]

There is it remains to be seen whether this is accepted.

There isn't - there is a theory.

[Roch]

DS Jones didn't like Jeremy from the outset.

' were not happy about this bloke, this isnt a bloke grieving, he is an oddball'

A little bit prediuiced yes

It is. But to follow that line of enquiry, the police would need to ignore all the evidence at the scene, which implicated Sheila. There is a file on Sheila as the killer that has never been released.

[Adam]

The only real evidence against JB is the SM and JM's testimony. The rest is a smorgasbord  of circumstantial evidence. It also remains that there is still a large amount of undisclosed documentation including the original four murders and a suicide case file which the CT have identified from existing paperwork If the police have nothing to hide just give it up and they can rid themselves of the case entirely.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11067.msg513953.html#msg513953

There is at least 80 pieces of sourced forensic evidence. Most from the COA.

Most not disputed by the CT.

Agree JM's WS & circumstantial evidence is also substantial.