David Boutflour WS's.

[ILB]

If this gets to a court hearing then then crown will simply put the forward other aspects of the original verdict that remains unchallenged

Such as Julie mugford

[snow66!]

If this gets to a court hearing then then crown will simply put the forward other aspects of the original verdict that remains unchallenged

Such as Julie mugford

Why didn't Julie mention Nevill lying against the Aga ILB? Wont this go against her?

[Adam]

Why didn't Julie mention Nevill lying against the Aga ILB? Wont this go against her?

Julie wasn't there. Neither was Bamber. MM was.

[ILB]

Why didn't Julie mention Nevill lying against the Aga ILB? Wont this go against her?

I don't think it boils down so much to intricate detail snow. The crown have the cards in their favour in that Julie Mugford took the oath and gave evidence implicating that Jeremy Bamber had confessed to her that he killed his family

Whether by a third party or his own hand

Nothing to this day has managed to scupper that

[snow66!]

Julie wasn't there. Neither was Bamber. MM was.

Is that supposed to be a joke Adam?

[snow66!]

I don't think it boils down so much to intricate detail snow. The crown have the cards in their favour in that Julie Mugford took the oath and gave evidence implicating that Jeremy Bamber had confessed to her that he killed his family

Whether by a third party or his own hand

Nothing to this day has managed to scupper that

Yes I know ILB,but Bamber also took the oath and swore that Julie was lying.
What if the Aga burns had been available at trial,do you think the jury would still have found Bamber guilty?

[Bubo bubo]

Not sure if Boyce came up with the idea about the Aga himself or was consulted by the campaign team Bubo.Yvonne doesn't really say who had the brain wave.

But there is one thing for sure,nothing could have been further from their minds in 2011 or whenever the appeal was,else they would have put the Aga burns forward instead of the flawed rifle evidence.

No,I would imagine Yvonne and others may check out various web sites relating to the Bamber case from time to time and may well have spotted your suggestion about the Aga,as I say it had not occured to them in 2011 anyway.

Very strange that Bamber didn't come up with the brain wave to check out the Aga parts,if he's guilty he must have seen Nevill lying against it,so could have suggested to check out the Aga any time in the last 38 years in connection with the burns to Nevill.Yet nothing.

Thing is,no one connected to the case at the time or since has ever mentioned the possibility of the Aga making the marks,never ever.NO ONE.
Either Bamber decided to keep this part of the massacre a secret from everyone,including Julie for some unknown reason,or he is simply innocent and did not witness Nevill lying against the Aga that night.
I think if Bamber is guilty we would have known about the cause of the burns many years ago,or at least you long term members would have heard anyway.Long before Bubo worked it out.

The problem for you Bubo,is that if Nevill was lying dead against the Aga and the police moved him,it will be very hard to prove who killed him,Bamber or Sheila.

The prosecution would simply argue that Bamber was the killer and the police moved Nevill for an 'innocent' reason.Now I dont know if the paperwork can be shown to prove that the police accidentally killed June or not if this is what happened,maybe, if the defence got hold of the original case files or a whistle blower appeared,which may happen if the house of cards begins to unravel.

That is why I believe it would be better to argue,like Roch,that Nevill lay against the Aga for several minutes or even hours before getting up again to be shot and killed.A jury would never believe that Bamber wasted time waiting for Nevill to get up again,it just would not happen.

But,it seems in the mean time the campaign team agree with you Bubo,that the police did indeed move Nevill,so all we can do is wait and see what the CCRC conclude.

I just wish they would get a blood stains expert to look into the Crown's case in relation to June being shot 5 times in bed. A blood version of Boyce. I do not know how this would look but sure as hell, what I see, does not look to me what I would expect. It just does not look right all those droplets on the pillow. It looks more like someone has lifted her onto the bed.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=40856;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=39404;image

[ILB]

Yes I know ILB,but Bamber also took the oath and swore that Julie was lying.
What if the Aga burns had been available at trial,do you think the jury would still have found Bamber guilty?

I think the judges summing up reference the silencer is what confirmed conviction.

The judge actually made very little reference to Jeremy Bambers time in the witness box in his summing up

[David1819]

I just wish they would get a blood stains expert to look into the Crown's case in relation to June being shot 5 times in bed. A blood version of Boyce. I do not know how this would look but sure as hell, what I see, does not look to me what I would expect. It just does not look right all those droplets on the pillow. It looks more like someone has lifted her onto the bed.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=40856;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=39404;image

Read Herbert Macdonells report.

[ILB]

Yes I know ILB,but Bamber also took the oath and swore that Julie was lying.
What if the Aga burns had been available at trial,do you think the jury would still have found Bamber guilty?

In fairness what can scupper it?

Except Julie mugford saying on record " I lied"

[ILB]

Even if Julie mugford did indeed lie. It's all about self protection at this stage of her life.

Her coming forward saying she lied and she is effectively going to put herself in prison for a significant period

[Zoso]

I just wish they would get a blood stains expert to look into the Crown's case in relation to June being shot 5 times in bed. A blood version of Boyce. I do not know how this would look but sure as hell, what I see, does not look to me what I would expect. It just does not look right all those droplets on the pillow. It looks more like someone has lifted her onto the bed.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=40856;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=39404;image

You're not a blood expert.

[Bubo bubo]

You're not a blood expert.

I do not say I am but for me it just does not look right , which is why I would like an expert to take a look

[Bubo bubo]

Read Herbert Macdonells report.

PERHAPS YOU SHOULD READ THIS
https://features.propublica.org/blood-spatter-analysis/herbert-macdonell-forensic-evidence-judges-and-courts/

[snow66!]

I just wish they would get a blood stains expert to look into the Crown's case in relation to June being shot 5 times in bed. A blood version of Boyce. I do not know how this would look but sure as hell, what I see, does not look to me what I would expect. It just does not look right all those droplets on the pillow. It looks more like someone has lifted her onto the bed.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=40856;image

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=39404;image

Why dont you send them all your evidence Bubo,let them check it out.
Couldn't do any harm,the team have all the available documentation to study.