Ballistics manipulation

[Bubo bubo]

What's the point in writing fiction for your satisfaction, Snow? Those who don't use AGA's may be forgiven for accepting that these enormous cast iron beasts are capable of inflicting burns on the unwary from every part of their structure. Such is not the case. People bring their children up, quite safely, in homes fitted with AGA's. I've used one every day -oven and hob- for more than a year and have yet to sustain burns. Boyce and his theory, Bubo and his theory, and you, with your faith in them, can feel as self satisfied as you like regarding these 'findings', but I wonder how many of you use one at least three times a day.

What a bucket load of rubbish. You are not addressing the central issue. Of course if used incorrectly kitchen equipment can cause injury. I have a gas hob and an electric oven. I use them every day but to my knowledge no one has collapsed in or on them and received burns. Neither I or Boyce are saying Agas are inherently dangerous. We are saying that in a certain set of circumstances an elderly man was shot and beaten and collapsed for an unknown time against an Aga which was running. This meant he was burnt. End of.

[Jane]

What a bucket load of rubbish. You are not addressing the central issue. Of course if used incorrectly kitchen equipment can cause injury. I have a gas hob and an electric oven. I use them every day but to my knowledge no one has collapsed in or on them and received burns. Neither I or Boyce are saying Agas are inherently dangerous. We are saying that in a certain set of circumstances an elderly man was shot and beaten and collapsed for an unknown time against an Aga which was running. This meant he was burnt. End of.

You're as entitled to your theory just the same as the rest of us, although you're somewhat more forthcoming with the insults, towards those who don't accept them, than other posters.

[Bubo bubo]

You're as entitled to your theory just the same as the rest of us, although you're somewhat more forthcoming with the insults, towards those who don't accept them, than other posters.

I am sick and tired of posters such as yourself who will not address the points I make but prefer to heap ridicule. Like am I on drugs. I do not know evil because I have not lived long enough. I am mad. It goes on and on. If you addressed the points I make rather than seeking to denigrate or make blindingly obvious statements that do not take issue with the points I make you can expect to get curt replies. I am not on here for my health I am here to give my views on the WHF murders and unlike some I do have a life other than this forum.

[snow66!]

What's the point in writing fiction for your satisfaction, Snow? Those who don't use AGA's may be forgiven for accepting that these enormous cast iron beasts are capable of inflicting burns on the unwary from every part of their structure. Such is not the case. People bring their children up, quite safely, in homes fitted with AGA's. I've used one every day -oven and hob- for more than a year and have yet to sustain burns. Boyce and his theory, Bubo and his theory, and you, with your faith in them, can feel as self satisfied as you like regarding these 'findings', but I wonder how many of you use one at least three times a day.

I suppose you are right Jane,a JB scenario including the Aga burns may indeed sound like fiction!

[Adam]

Who's? Yours Adam?

Yes mine.

[snow66!]

Yes mine.

Please dont say by heating a rifle barrel in the Aga Adam,you know I mean by Nevill lying against it.

[Adam]

Please dont say by heating a rifle barrel in the Aga Adam,you know I mean by Nevill lying against it.

Why would I create a scenario with that? I don't believe it happened.

[Adam]

Lots of heating options - 

The murder weapon minus silencer.

Using one of the other rifles.

Using something else.

[snow66!]

Looks like Adam,Jane and Zoso are in denial about the Aga burning Nevills back,I think Steve may have accepted the fact so may supply a JB scenario around it.He has the brains to do so if he so wishes.

[Bubo bubo]

I suppose you are right Jane,a JB scenario including the Aga burns may indeed sound like fiction!

The problem for those who believe JB guilty is that for years the only real evidence against him has been the SM and the testimony of a jilted lover who is a proven liar and a fraud. The SM has been undone by many including myself, there was always 2 and it was the main plank of the prosecution case.
Overtime the remaining circumstantial evidence like bike rides on sea walls and windows has been chipped away. They are seen for what they are just stories made up to cast JB as ruthless money seeking killer.

They are now reduced to 'over the garden fence' tittle tattle and gossip with no evidential purpose.
He said this which means this. He did that which means this. It is all about how they know what people were thinking. Many of them act as if they are mind readers. On and on it goes, reheating the same old tropes and bad mouthing JB.

As soon as anyone dares to suggest innocence and puts forward a contradictory point they are verbally savaged. Look what has happened to Bill Robertson for example. They do not try to dismantle or challenge the idea/theory they hunt in a pack to beat down sensible suggestions that have some value without thought or reason. They behave as if innocence belief is the work of the devil and requires the protagonists be put in the stocks or burned at the stake. They need to be put in a straight jacket and locked in a padded room.

Their lack of intellectual rigor is astounding. Just watch over the next few days as they snipe and sneer without any real evidence to support what they say.

They are lost in a dark cynical world where they are totally right in their beliefs and everyone else is a heretic.

[David1819]

Looks like Adam,Jane and Zoso are in denial about the Aga burning Nevills back,I think Steve may have accepted the fact so may supply a JB scenario around it.He has the brains to do so if he so wishes.

Its not a fact. And I don't believe it either.

[Adam]

There are over 200 pieces of evidence. Eighty of it forensic. All sourced. Posted before.

But appreciate supporters will try to round it down.

Julie's WS & testimony was also comprehensive.

[Jane]

I am sick and tired of posters such as yourself who will not address the points I make but prefer to heap ridicule. Like am I on drugs. I do not know evil because I have not lived long enough. I am mad. It goes on and on. If you addressed the points I make rather than seeking to denigrate or make blindingly obvious statements that do not take issue with the points I make you can expect to get curt replies. I am not on here for my health I am here to give my views on the WHF murders and unlike some I do have a life other than this forum.

I'm not aware that I've ever heaped ridicule on your theories. Certainly not intentionally, but I'll allow for a little sarcasm. Have I ever suggested that you might be on drugs? Never, to the best of my knowledge. Have I ever commented on what I believe your age might be? Again, never. Nor do I believe that posters are mad because their beliefs are other than my own. It would be a sad thing for us all if being here and sharing our views -whether or not they're accepted- was less than good for our health. You seem to have very staunch allies in Rob, Roch and Snow.


Even if I'd given credence to your theories, the moment you bought MT's name into it as supporting what you say, any credibility you may have had, would have disappeared. I do believe he was in prison with JB. I also believe JB admitted to him he'd done it -although, strangely, I don't think those, who clung to his every word as being gospel truth, did. Other than that, I'll leave it that his 'truth' was often stranger than fiction.

[David1819]

Their lack of intellectual rigor is astounding. Just watch over the next few days as they snipe and sneer without any real evidence to support what they say.

Not all of them have always been like this. If Paul Harrison never came to this forum, it would be a very different place today.

[Jane]

..........They are now reduced to 'over the garden fence' tittle tattle and gossip with no evidential purpose.


 They need to be put in a straight jacket and locked in a padded room.

Their lack of intellectual rigor is astounding. Just watch over the next few days as they snipe and sneer without any real evidence to support what they say..................

Dear God! After an attack like that, I think you may have left yourself open to everything that gets thrown at you.