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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2023, 01:45:PM »
Don't you mean you agree with Mike's findings? You do realise that that isn't an endorsement right?

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2023, 02:02:PM »
From memory Mike Tesko always argued they replaced a fragmented bullet with a whole one, but why fake the X-rays and at what date was this accomplished?
I would also point out that the PV20 examined by Taylor was accompanied by blood and tissues making a stronger case for the Xray being a fake. There would have to have been multiple fragements to support the  Xray being Bona Fide.
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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2023, 02:07:PM »
They were trying to cover up the shooting of June. If as I suspect SC had already committed suicide and was dead on her own bed and and June had no or just a few injuries. The crime scene would  look a bit out of kilter. What is more they would not know that the pathologist would help them with the cover-up at say 08.00am since none had been called.
The TOD would also be a factor. If the pathologist recorded a big difference between the TOD of the two women it would be even more problematic.

There may also have been information that June was alive but as we know they started a new case file and the original has never been disclosed.

From the magical PV20 and the Xray and other known facts it is possible to hypothesise how these factors fit together.

I think the initial plan (cover-up) was to say that June had shot SC with AP's Brno during some event (say a struggle over possession) SC is wounded but not dead because the bullet fragmented giving her the opportunity to recover herself sufficiently to kill June. Restage the bodies, PV is sympathetic to the accident and tailors his initial comments to facilitate this scenario.

To bolster this argument they fake an Xray showing a highly fragmented bullet.

This is then sent to the CT some years later because whoever sent it was trying sublimely to help JB

At least that is one of my questions answered.

Sheila killed everyone except June. Then committed suicide.
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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2023, 02:09:PM »
Seems that Sheila was 'dead on her own bed'.

So the police moved her. Was that before or after they deliberatly shot her?
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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2023, 02:10:PM »
I should also point out that I had come to this on my own account before I read MT's views. I was communicating with a journalist in my early investigations and have the documentation. Mike had not produced any scientific evidence to prove the swap.

Scientific? Such as?

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2023, 02:37:PM »
Scientific? Such as?
I performed a series of calculations based on weights. Ok mathematical but a scientific approach.

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2023, 02:39:PM »
Seems that Sheila was 'dead on her own bed'.

So the police moved her. Was that before or after they deliberatly shot her?
Most likely after.

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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2023, 02:42:PM »
Most likely after.

Was Sheila with the rifle when lying on her bed?

Or was June holding it when the police entered?
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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2023, 03:19:PM »
Was Sheila with the rifle when lying on her bed? (A)

Or was June holding it when the police entered?(B)

A) most likely but June could have removed it and placed it by a window.

B) If June had hold of a weapon it more likely to be the Brno or a shotgun but the Anschutz cannot be ruled out even though her fingerprints were not on the gun it could have been wiped. I do not believe she was by SC's bed when shot no crime scene blood evidence.

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2023, 03:27:PM »
A) most likely but June could have removed it and placed it by a window.

B) If June had hold of a weapon it more likely to be the Brno or a shotgun but the Anschutz cannot be ruled out even though her fingerprints were not on the gun it could have been wiped. I do not believe she was by SC's bed when shot no crime scene blood evidence.

Why did Sheila not kill June but shoot Nevill 8 times and brutally hit him?

Why would June move the rifle off Sheila after she  had committed suicide?

Was June planning to shoot the police when they entered? A shot gun is a lethal weapon.
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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2023, 03:43:PM »
A) most likely but June could have removed it and placed it by a window.

B) If June had hold of a weapon it more likely to be the Brno or a shotgun but the Anschutz cannot be ruled out even though her fingerprints were not on the gun it could have been wiped. I do not believe she was by SC's bed when shot no crime scene blood evidence.
I'm afraid I'm jumping through hoops again, and the tale is descending into a farce.

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2023, 03:45:PM »
Why did Sheila not kill June but shoot Nevill 8 times and brutally hit him?

Why would June move the rifle off Sheila after she  had committed suicide?

Was June planning to shoot the police when they entered? A shot gun is a lethal weapon.

Now your getting silly.

It is a big house, maybe she was able to avoid her or by locking herself in a room for safety. Read my take on the box room. You can find it using the search facility. Maybe she was shot a few times anyway. We cannot know. Maybe she was able to evade her because SC ran out of Ammunition.

I do not know she may have been being ultra defensive because of pain or shock. She may have shouldered a weapon ready to shoot when she heard voices. We cannot know.

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2023, 03:47:PM »
I'm afraid I'm jumping through hoops again, and the tale is descending into a farce.
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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2023, 03:50:PM »
I performed a series of calculations based on weights. Ok mathematical but a scientific approach.

If I remember correctly, this was a meticulous piece of work.

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Re: Ballistics manipulation
« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2023, 03:57:PM »
I performed a series of calculations based on weights. Ok mathematical but a scientific approach.

I don't see how you could do that without having access to the exhibits, CS photo's and all notes pertaining to Sheila's wounds? Any kind of 'scientific' experiment will be rudimentary at best - no matter how much effort is employed or impressive it 'looks'.