The window Jeremy used for entry

[Bubo bubo]

And, if this WAS the case, you have to admit they've been remarkably successful.

There was absolutely NO need for them to bring JB into the equation. They had their 'culprit', complete with murder weapon, and, conveniently, dead. She couldn't protest her innocence. MORE!! Allegedly, they had her suicide note. Surely its reveal would cut through -and out- anything the family had in the way of suspicions about JB? But they chose to keep it hidden, causing the whole Essex force to lose face and clocking up thousands more man hours at vast expense to the tax payer, and for what, exactly? To cover up a shot they had every right to take in the line of duty!!

The saying goes, that once a lie is told, other lies become necessary to explain away the first lie. Thus it seems with this convoluted theory of yours, the skeins of which have become more entwined as attempts are made to make something from nothing.

What if a police officer told the family the truth of what actually happened. What if the family through their own efforts were dissatisfied with the work of the police. We know they were pestering Taff and AE was making copious notes. RB was also conducting investigations. What if the family threatened to call for a public enquiry. RB was so incensed he had a meeting with ACC Simpson which led to the whole case being revisited under the auspices of Ainsley.

It may well have been a simple error of judgement made in haste. A bloodstained June maybe with a weapon surprises a TFG officer who has just seconds to act and in fear of his life takes the shot.

The problem was that this act potentially deprived the family of an inheritance which then passed to the 'Cuckoo'.

Maybe there was a pact. We will not disclose your error if you frame JB.

More mad things?
 

[Steve_uk]

What if a police officer told the family the truth of what actually happened. What if the family through their own efforts were dissatisfied with the work of the police. We know they were pestering Taff and AE was making copious notes. RB was also conducting investigations. What if the family threatened to call for a public enquiry. RB was so incensed he had a meeting with ACC Simpson which led to the whole case being revisited under the auspices of Ainsley.

It may well have been a simple error of judgement made in haste. A bloodstained June maybe with a weapon surprises a TFG officer who has just seconds to act and in fear of his life takes the shot.

The problem was that this act potentially deprived the family of an inheritance which then passed to the 'Cuckoo'.

Maybe there was a pact. We will not disclose your error if you frame JB.

More mad things?

There's no indication that June was knowledgeable about firearms, but even if police shot her by mistake it would have been declared as self-defence there and then to DCI Taff Jones. There's no evidence of a conspiracy.

[Bubo bubo]

There's no indication that June was knowledgeable about firearms, but even if police shot her by mistake it would have been declared as self-defence there and then to DCI Taff Jones. There's no evidence of a conspiracy.

There is rarely evidence of conspiracies. The police decided that rather than admit the truth and then suffer all the fallout that would stem from that, they would instead cover it up. No harm done. A secured premises a mentally ill young woman all pointed to an easy get out. What they did not reckon was the familial issues that would stem from such an action. They did not know the family and their tenacious personalities.

[Jane]

What if a police officer told the family the truth of what actually happened. What if the family through their own efforts were dissatisfied with the work of the police. We know they were pestering Taff and AE was making copious notes. RB was also conducting investigations. What if the family threatened to call for a public enquiry. RB was so incensed he had a meeting with ACC Simpson which led to the whole case being revisited under the auspices of Ainsley.

It may well have been a simple error of judgement made in haste. A bloodstained June maybe with a weapon surprises a TFG officer who has just seconds to act and in fear of his life takes the shot.

The problem was that this act potentially deprived the family of an inheritance which then passed to the 'Cuckoo'.

Maybe there was a pact. We will not disclose your error if you frame JB.

More mad things?

Rather too many "What ifs". So when we consider "What IF one of the fire arm squad accidently shot one of the victims?" They'd have been perfectly within their rights had they felt their life to be threatened. There'd have been no need for the massive 'cover up' the case has been turned in to.

[Steve_uk]

There is rarely evidence of conspiracies. The police decided that rather than admit the truth and then suffer all the fallout that would stem from that, they would instead cover it up. No harm done. A secured premises a mentally ill young woman all pointed to an easy get out. What they did not reckon was the familial issues that would stem from such an action. They did not know the family and their tenacious personalities.

No need for a cover up. In your scenario they shot a woman in self-defence. It happens.

[Bubo bubo]

There is rarely evidence of conspiracies. The police decided that rather than admit the truth and then suffer all the fallout that would stem from that, they would instead cover it up. No harm done. A secured premises a mentally ill young woman all pointed to an easy get out. What they did not reckon was the familial issues that would stem from such an action. They did not know the family and their tenacious personalities.

Then there was the question of the inquest. This probably required some elements of re-staging. They had to get their story past the Coroner. They had already lied at the opening saying it was four murders and a suicide to the coroner but were continuing their investigations which was probably required because the family were 'on the case'. In the event the arresting, charging, and conviction of JB negated the inquest.

There would have been a huge amount of work required in relation to the accidental shooting. This would have required many man hours of work and to some extent the public humiliation of EP and their errors.

The easy way out looked at first glance an easy option.

[Jane]

There is rarely evidence of conspiracies. The police decided that rather than admit the truth and then suffer all the fallout that would stem from that, they would instead cover it up. No harm done. A secured premises a mentally ill young woman all pointed to an easy get out. What they did not reckon was the familial issues that would stem from such an action. They did not know the family and their tenacious personalities.

However tenacious were the families personalities, they'd have been rendered inconsequential when police -allegedly, and I believe such a notion may have been supporter driven?- had a suicide note which they could have shut them up with, and furthermore, published.

[Roch]

However tenacious were the families personalities, they'd have been rendered inconsequential when police -allegedly, and I believe such a notion may have been supporter driven?- had a suicide note which they could have shut them up with, and furthermore, published.

I doubt anything would shut them up. Such was their tunnel vision and avarice.

[Bubo bubo]

However tenacious were the families personalities, they'd have been rendered inconsequential when police -allegedly, and I believe such a notion may have been supporter driven?- had a suicide note which they could have shut them up with, and furthermore, published.

See post 620. They had already lied to the coroner/inquest a legal entity. Oh dear. The suicide note is not accepted by guilt supporters. Are you changing your stance back to innocence?

[Adam]

It was not done to frame JB otherwise they would have arrested and charged him immediately. It was done to cover their arses so that they could tell any future external investigators their scenario of 4 murders and a suicide, hiding the accidental shooting.

How would the police burning things, moving people etc hide an accidental shooting of Sheila?

[snow66!]

A very good point Jane.

I am not so sure about that Steve,shooting the ASSAILANT would have been acceptable in order to try and save one or more of the victims,but to shoot an innocent victim would have caused an uproar.

[Adam]

Seems that BuboBubo is saying the police shot Sheila. Although has no evidence of this.

To cover this the police instantly -

Moved June.

Moved Nevill.

Lifted Nevill.

Put Nevill's pyjama top on.

Cut things up.

Burnt things.

Changed rugs.

Cleared away blood.

Moved items.

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Not sure why they didn't just say Sheila was found with 2 shots.

[Steve_uk]

I am not so sure about that Steve,shooting the ASSAILANT would have been acceptable in order to try and save one or more of the victims,but to shoot an innocent victim would have caused an uproar.

A gun-wielding June would not have been an innocent victim though, and police would have written it off as collateral damage, not staged an elaborate cover up.

[Bubo bubo]

Seems that BuboBubo is saying the police shot Sheila. Although has no evidence of this.

To cover this the police instantly -

Moved June.

Moved Nevill.

Lifted Nevill.

Put Nevill's pyjama top on.

Cut things up.

Burnt things.

Changed rugs.

Cleared away blood.

Moved items.

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Not sure why they didn't just say Sheila was found with 2 shots.

I am reporting this post to the moderator you are totally misrepresenting my views.

[snow66!]

A gun-wielding June would not have been an innocent victim though, and police would have written it off as collateral damage, not staged an elaborate cover up.

Of course she was an innocent victim simply trying to defend herself Steve.