The window Jeremy used for entry

[Zoso]

I along with David, QC debunked Adams ridiculous AM theory

You said you were writing to him to ask if he had one?

[Zoso]

Because Zoso was claiming that the wallet was found by RWB and AE said that they gave it to BC. Wilkes your go to bible tells a very different story. All three were together when JB phoned SBJ.to complain. So why did they not stop him and tell him what happened.

What different story does Wilkes tell?

[Bubo bubo]

What different story does Wilkes tell?

See reply 491

[Adam]

You said you were writing to him to ask if he had one?

He did write a letter. Which was posted on here. Bamber did not respond.

The CT have never denied he had an AM on the massacre night. He certainly had one just afterwards.

[Zoso]

See reply 491

There's nothing different about it.

[Bubo bubo]

There's nothing different about it.

Why did they not tell JB they had found it before he phoned SBJ? Your claim was they found it and passed it To BC. They could not have found it in NB's trousers later because they were burned within the next 2 days.

[Roch]

What 'timings' you already said that we don't know those.

In the context that the Aga was the cause of the marks: The lack of blood around the Aga suggests that the marks were created prior to Nevill having received significant, bleeding injuries.

[Zoso]

Why did they not tell JB they had found it before he phoned SBJ? Your claim was they found it and passed it To BC. They could not have found it in NB's trousers later because they were burned within the next 2 days.

Yes and? They did! On the Saturday after the murders (the day after getting the keys back from the police), RWB and AE collected valuables from the house with Basil Cock present - one of those items was the wallet. The day that Bamber went looking for the wallet was the FIRST time he has been back to WHF so hadn't burned anything. I would have no idea why they didn't tell him, I wasn't there and I don't know either of them to ask.

[Zoso]

In the context that the Aga was the cause of the marks: The lack of blood around the Aga suggests that the marks were created prior to Nevill having received significant, bleeding injuries.

Or that the Aga isn't the source of the burns.

[Roch]

Or that the Aga isn't the source of the burns.

Our discussion was in the context that it was. So if we set aside the possibility that it wasn't, and only look at the possibility that it was, the timing of the marks has to be slotted in to events.

[David1819]

Our discussion was in the context that it was. So if we set aside the possibility that it wasn't, and only look at the possibility that it was, the timing of the marks has to be slotted in to events.

That's not how you investigate something.

[Roch]

That's not how you investigate something.

You certainly don't investigate something by refusing to accept new discoveries.  We can go back to saying the Sun travels around the Earth if you want. Or that all diseases are caused by foul humours.

[snow66!]

Season 3  Podcast No89  discusses the burn marks.

[snow66!]

Or that the Aga isn't the source of the burns.

If you watch the Boyce video and listen to the podcast I think it will leave most with little doubt that the Aga made the burns to Nevills back Zoso.

[Bubo bubo]

In the context that the Aga was the cause of the marks: The lack of blood around the Aga suggests that the marks were created prior to Nevill having received significant, bleeding injuries.

There are three reasons why blood is not shown on the carpet two of which could be used in conjunction. The first is that they used another piece of carpet. There were similar sized pieces which could have been substituted and some appear in other crime scene pics on this site. There is also a piece along June's side of the bed. I do not favour this option for length reasons mainly. The second is that it is concealed beneath the cushions and the piece of white towel shown in some of the pics. My main theory is that they turned the carpet over and used the cushions and towel. If you look at the place where the burns are said to have been made and impose NB on the pics it is perfectly possible that the main area of blood would be where the cushions and towel are placed. However he had other and some minor injuries in other places which should have led to spotting in other areas. As the blood loss from these below head wounds would be less and not soak through overturning the rug catered for these while the cushions and towel catered for the large amount from his head injuries. This is why when they relocated him it was as close to the original positioning to be able to claim he had not been moved.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4075;image
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4076;image
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4083;image
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=4090;image

This one is the best view and in my opinion is the underside of the rug (no tufts). I am currently having an Afghan carpet restored. Even with more refined weaving the underside is smooth and the upper is tufted. Hope this helps.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=887.0;attach=7295;image