The window Jeremy used for entry

[ILB]

Did they see him as young kid wet behind the ears ( not talking in the sense they formed the view as gulity )

[snow66!]

He did give permission officially yes.

Did the relatives put pressure on the 24 year old Jeremy though?

In the sense of the insistence they get access and Jeremy just giving way ?

Apparently at that stage Bamber said he would never enter the White House again ILB.

But you may have something,there is no doubt that unbeknownst to JB the relatives were desperate to get into the house to 'look for clues' as they put it themselves to prove he was the killer.

[ILB]

Apparently at that stage Bamber said he would never enter the White House again ILB.

But you may have something,there is no doubt that unbeknownst to JB the relatives were desperate to get into the house to 'look for clues' as they put it themselves to prove he was the killer.

There's a lot of contrast between both police and relatives into how Jeremy appeared in the immediate aftermath.

They range from calm cool and collected and eating a fry up ( a slice of microwaved bacon between two bits of bread) not seeming bothered,  to a genuine grieving relative


I don't know what to believe to be honest.

[Bubo bubo]

He did give permission officially yes.

Did the relatives put pressure on the 24 year old Jeremy though?

In the sense of the insistence they get access and Jeremy just giving way ?

It seems to me we are discussing events between two people with just one side of the story. We do not know JB's state of mind during this period nor do we know what events were shaping his thought processes. No disrespect but we are totally reliant on zoso' word in viewing events
Further we do not know if NB told JB as part of his training that it was good practice to have a few hundred quid to hand during harvest time to pay for additional casual labour or to pay for equipment repairs etc etc. This is not a major issue. We know that zoso has misgivings. Quite frankly although it was her choice to change stance. Frankly it would take more than this for me knowing all the other evidence that shows he was framed.

[Bubo bubo]

Apparently at that stage Bamber said he would never enter the White House again ILB.

But you may have something,there is no doubt that unbeknownst to JB the relatives were desperate to get into the house to 'look for clues' as they put it themselves to prove he was the killer.

In order to shed further light on this aspect it might be well to remember that JB burnt his parents clothes the weekend after the murders so the window for finding NB's wallet in his clothing was very small

[ILB]

In order to shed further light on this aspect it might be well to remember that JB burnt his parents clothes the weekend after the murders so the window for finding NB's wallet in his clothing was very small

I think we are overcomplicating the wallet issue.

He wasn't challenged at trial about it

It's a member of the publics theory

It can be argued he rifled through it

It can be argued he would know the amount as it was his father and he might have had access to it

[Zoso]

It seems to me we are discussing events between two people with just one side of the story. We do not know JB's state of mind during this period nor do we know what events were shaping his thought processes. No disrespect but we are totally reliant on zoso' word in viewing events
Further we do not know if NB told JB as part of his training that it was good practice to have a few hundred quid to hand during harvest time to pay for additional casual labour or to pay for equipment repairs etc etc. This is not a major issue. We know that zoso has misgivings. Quite frankly although it was her choice to change stance. Frankly it would take more than this for me knowing all the other evidence that shows he was framed.

Frankly it was more than that, it started with not being able to defend not calling 999 and ended with him changing the timings of the phone call to police. In-between there are many other things, the wallet is just one of them.

[ILB]

Frankly it was more than that, it started with not being able to defend not calling 999 and ended with him changing the timings of the phone call to police. In-between there are many other things, the wallet is just one of them.

I think we have our answer guys

[snow66!]

In order to shed further light on this aspect it might be well to remember that JB burnt his parents clothes the weekend after the murders so the window for finding NB's wallet in his clothing was very small

Do you mean only blood stained clothing Bubo? Nevill was undressed and in his pyjamas on the night of the murders,so where was the clothing found that he had taken off? Wouldn't this determine where he slept that  night?
Do you know where RWB found Nevills wallet Bubo,I cant find much info about this.Zoso says it was in a trouser pocket.
If the police did burn any of Nevills clothes wouldn't it most likely be the clothes he had been wearing that day and have the wallet in them,hence the police would have found the wallet.Shouldn't the police have kept all blood stained clothing as evidence anyway.

How would Nevills clothing get blood stained anyway,the only possibility is if he undressed in the main bedroom and left them lying somewhere near the bed.

Dont you think the police would have noted where Nevill had undressed that night Bubo? Must have surely.
Anyway,if nothing else,we need to know where the wallet was found by RWB before we can decide anything.Is this documented Bubo?

[snow66!]

I think we are overcomplicating the wallet issue.

He wasn't challenged at trial about it

It's a member of the publics theory

It can be argued he rifled through it

It can be argued he would know the amount as it was his father and he might have had access to it

The issue for me is where the wallet was found ILB regardless what JB knew about it.
If it wasn't brought up at trial this suggests the prosecution did not want it discussed,hence the questions that I have been asking would have been discussed,eg where was the wallet found and what happened to the clothing it was found in?

[snow66!]

Frankly it was more than that, it started with not being able to defend not calling 999 and ended with him changing the timings of the phone call to police. In-between there are many other things, the wallet is just one of them.

Then the only way that you may change your mind to innocence again is through scientific proof Zoso,lets see what the CCRCs decision is on the Aga marks and see if that sways you any.

[Zoso]

Then the only way that you may change your mind to innocence again is through scientific proof Zoso,lets see what the CCRCs decision is on the Aga marks and see if that sways you any.

It won't, we've been here before.

[David1819]

Then the only way that you may change your mind to innocence again is through scientific proof Zoso,lets see what the CCRCs decision is on the Aga marks and see if that sways you any.

Zoso will just turn round and say Sheila being involved does not make Jeremy innocent. She's made these statements before.

[Roch]

lets see what the CCRCs decision is on the Aga marks and see if that sways you any.

They'll say it's not enough to counter whatever. Even if might be. They don't want new evidence in this case. They want to back up all the enquiries and appeals otherwise the justice system will look stupid. Don't build your hopes up. We don't live in an honest state.

[Adam]

If the wallet was found in Nevills clothing Jane that would probably be the clothing that he was wearing that day,right? If Nevill decided to sleep downstairs on the night of the murder he would have taken off his clothes containing the wallet while downstairs too.Logical?

So if RWB found the wallet in Nevills trousers somewhere down stairs this would go some way to proving that Nevill was not shot upstairs in the bedroom,that is what I am trying to get at Jane and that is why I want to know where the wallet was found.

Surely RWB would have worked this out too,where ever Nevills clothes were found along with the wallet was where Nevill layed his head to rest on the night of the murders, VERY STRONG EVIDENCE in my mind anyway.

Now if the relatives were so clever why didn't they inform the police that Nevills clothing and wallet were found in the main bedroom proving he slept there on the night of the murders? Why not pass this info on to the police?

So hopefully you can understand why I think it is very important where RWB found Nevills wallet Jane.
This is how my brain works anyway.

Nevill slept in his own bed on the night. As people do every night.

He was shot twice in bed and twice just out of bed in Bamber's opening 9 bullet unload in the main bedroom. As the evidence shows.