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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #225 on: July 10, 2023, 11:41:PM »
For heavens sake Adam,the information about the bike is also on sheet 10 of AEs 16 sep witness statement.
Very strange,AE is apparently shown a bike by the police at WHF but knows by the condition of it that it isn't worth 40 pounds so therefore it couldn't be June's bike.What? What kind of nonsense is this?

And why did AE need to know when the bike was bought and how much it cost? Why not just look for the bike,something odd here!
It was all part of the family and EP creating a back story. As I have posted before they had to produce an accomplice or a means for JB to make both calls. There was a chance that the defence might go for a call from NB but as we know that never materialised, because West testified to his second statement not his log and the defence were too busy trying to undermine the SM evidence. They also had to fabricate the  entry method and the banging of the kitchen window it to close it. This was also part of the back story for how JB manged to exit a supposedly secure building. It was AE who came up with that ploy. I hope Adam does not resurrect the AM thread

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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #226 on: July 11, 2023, 12:18:AM »
It was all part of the family and EP creating a back story. As I have posted before they had to produce an accomplice or a means for JB to make both calls. There was a chance that the defence might go for a call from NB but as we know that never materialised, because West testified to his second statement not his log and the defence were too busy trying to undermine the SM evidence. They also had to fabricate the  entry method and the banging of the kitchen window it to close it. This was also part of the back story for how JB manged to exit a supposedly secure building. It was AE who came up with that ploy. I hope Adam does not resurrect the AM thread
Oh yes,there is no doubt it was all a back story Bubo.Why on earth would the relatives be looking into a bike being used within days of the murder? For one thing,how did they know that all other transport had been ruled out by the police investigation at that stage.As you say,once all enquiries were concluded with no witness seeing Bamber leave his house that night the police had to come up with a way that JB could get back home from the WHF in around ten minutes incase the jury believed JB was telling the truth about a call from Nevill,hence the bike was needed,walking would have taken far too long.
But as you say,when the jury were told that it was Sheilas blood only in the silencer the phone calls seemed of little importance.

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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #227 on: July 11, 2023, 08:27:AM »
Oh yes,there is no doubt it was all a back story Bubo.Why on earth would the relatives be looking into a bike being used within days of the murder? For one thing,how did they know that all other transport had been ruled out by the police investigation at that stage.As you say,once all enquiries were concluded with no witness seeing Bamber leave his house that night the police had to come up with a way that JB could get back home from the WHF in around ten minutes incase the jury believed JB was telling the truth about a call from Nevill,hence the bike was needed,walking would have taken far too long.
But as you say,when the jury were told that it was Sheilas blood only in the silencer the phone calls seemed of little importance.
Remember also that the families suspicions had to be earlier because they had to claim they found the SM on the 10/07/85 which had to be before an SM was sent to the lab 13/07/85.

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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #228 on: July 11, 2023, 09:09:AM »
Didn't she say that she asked for a bike the previous summer ILB,or at least hint that one would be handy.

Not to sure snow

Surely she was asked about it. It forms a key prosecution point.

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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #229 on: July 11, 2023, 12:21:PM »
Oh yes,there is no doubt it was all a back story Bubo.Why on earth would the relatives be looking into a bike being used within days of the murder? For one thing,how did they know that all other transport had been ruled out by the police investigation at that stage.As you say,once all enquiries were concluded with no witness seeing Bamber leave his house that night the police had to come up with a way that JB could get back home from the WHF in around ten minutes incase the jury believed JB was telling the truth about a call from Nevill,hence the bike was needed,walking would have taken far too long.
But as you say,when the jury were told that it was Sheilas blood only in the silencer the phone calls seemed of little importance.

Because they suspected Bamber.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #230 on: July 11, 2023, 12:23:PM »
Oh yes,there is no doubt it was all a back story Bubo.Why on earth would the relatives be looking into a bike being used within days of the murder? For one thing,how did they know that all other transport had been ruled out by the police investigation at that stage.As you say,once all enquiries were concluded with no witness seeing Bamber leave his house that night the police had to come up with a way that JB could get back home from the WHF in around ten minutes incase the jury believed JB was telling the truth about a call from Nevill,hence the bike was needed,walking would have taken far too long.
But as you say,when the jury were told that it was Sheilas blood only in the silencer the phone calls seemed of little importance.

Agree walking would take too long.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #231 on: July 11, 2023, 12:26:PM »
Another bike being at WHF before mid July supports Julie's WS - he said in mid June he planned to cycle and do a trial run.

A bike was available in mid June to commit the massacre Free of charge. Once everyone was at WHF.
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« Reply #232 on: July 11, 2023, 12:29:PM »
Did Bamber do his trial run on Monday the 6th August 1985, or weeks or months before on another WHF bike?

Either were available to him.
« Last Edit: July 11, 2023, 12:29:PM by Adam »
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #233 on: July 11, 2023, 12:41:PM »
Did Bamber do his trial run on Monday the 6th August 1985, or weeks or months before on another WHF bike?

Either were available to him.

No.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #234 on: July 11, 2023, 12:41:PM »
I think you are over analysing this personally.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #235 on: July 11, 2023, 12:42:PM »
Did Bamber do his trial run on Monday the 6th August 1985, or weeks or months before on another WHF bike?

Either were available to him.

Answering my own question & going by Julie's WS, Bamber had not done a trial run prior to mid June 1985.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #236 on: July 11, 2023, 12:44:PM »
Answering my own question & going by Julie's WS, Bamber had not done a trial run prior to mid June 1985.

Do you believe Julie disputed Bambers reason for getting the bike for her ?
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #237 on: July 11, 2023, 12:44:PM »
Most appropriate to do a trial run once you know everyone is visiting. Which was probably late July.
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« Reply #238 on: July 11, 2023, 12:47:PM »
June's new bike was at WHF prior to Bamber finding out about Sheila's visit.

It was not stolen until the 5th August 1985.

This suggests a trial cycle run on Monday 6th August 1985.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #239 on: July 11, 2023, 12:59:PM »
The two cycle trial run possibilities are -

Between mid June - mid July. On another bike.

Monday 6th August 1985.

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