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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #45 on: June 28, 2023, 10:23:PM »
It takes 4 minutes to cycle a mile. At an average pace.

So 4.3 miles would take 17 minutes.

Suspect Bamber cycled at an above average pace. 

Oh and the terrain was good and flat.

You are just trying to tailor your account to fit the facts
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #46 on: June 28, 2023, 10:24:PM »
Anywhere I spend 70 minutes walking to, I could definately get there in 15 minutes cycling. Going at 70%.

Espescially on good, flat terrain.

Wilkinson only cut his 70 minute walk time by 50%. So was going at a very slow pace.

That doesn't even make sense
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« Reply #47 on: June 28, 2023, 10:27:PM »
You are just trying to tailor your account to fit the facts

Correct.

And succeeding. It's all facts.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #48 on: June 28, 2023, 10:30:PM »
Cycling 4.2 miles at an average pace is going at a similar speed as Olympic 1500 metre runners.

So you would definately cut down Wilkinson's 70 minutes walking time by over 50%.

They run fast.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #49 on: June 28, 2023, 10:54:PM »
Correct.

And succeeding. It's all facts.

No it isn't

You know this

You wasn't even born when the copper did the reconissance cycle mission

You are stating " Wilkinson went slowly "

You can't even prove Bamber cycled, let alone the pace of which
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #50 on: June 28, 2023, 10:55:PM »
Please tell me now on this thread your belief of why Wilkinson cycles slowly. Don't refer me to anything please...
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #51 on: June 28, 2023, 11:41:PM »
OK,June bought her bike from a man in Maldon in mid july.
So let us put it all together.Bamber told Julie in june that he hoped that Sheila and the twins would visit the farm soon,SOON! And he had decided to use a bike in the execution of the crime and would do a trial run.

Surely this would mean getting hold of a bike ASAP to carry out the trial run and have the bike revved up ready to go,he said himself that he hoped Sheila would visit soon.So with harvest fast approaching when any spare time would be limited ,surely Bamber would have seen about getting hold of a bike there and then in preparation?

The school holidays would have started long before July,so Sheila could have appeared with the boys at any time.

Yet,here's the thing Bamber did not purchase a bike in june after deciding to use one in the shooting, nor in the first half of july,now keep in mind that Sheila could have arrived with the boys at short notice at any time and the harvest was starting,yet no bike had been purchased yet roughly a month after Bamber had decided to use one.

Then,low and behold June just happens to buy a bike in the nick of time,so Bamber decides he wont need to.
But lets just think about this for a minute,June buys the bike for her own use,so why does Bamber think he can just take it? Why would he imagine that he can just take it away,do a trial run and then use it to carry out the crime? What if June simply loved using the bike and used it every day without fail,how could JB steal it from her? Or even ask her to let Julie use it?

No way could Bamber count on using Junes bike,there is no way he could have known that she would not take to it and abandon it to be pinched or loaned even to Julie. And keep in mind,the bike was only purchased three weeks before the murders anyway.

Maybe I am not making my point very clear,but just look at it this way,the prosecution wants you to believe that Bamber decided in june 1985 to use a bike to carry out the murders,yet did not purchase one.However in mid july his mum just happened to by a bike albeit a ladies bike and Bamber decided that he would somehow manage to obtain IT,to use in the crime.And luckily for Bamber,June did not take to the bike and he was free,albeit at the very last minute to either pinch the bike from under  June's nose or ask her for a loan of it,JUST as Sheila and the boys are arriving at the farm.PHEW! Thats cutting it a bit fine isn't it?

Now you could argue that Bamber put off buying a bike in june or sometime before when he decided one would be needed because there was word of June buying a bike,but why would he gamble on this? June may have even changed her mind or if she did buy one take to it like a duck to water as said.

No,I think common sense tells us that as soon as Bamber decided to use a bike he would have bought one,and not waited on the off chance that June would buy one and disowen it soon after.
Poppycock! Just think the time line through from the first alleged mention of a bike by Bamber sometime in june until he finally got his hands on one just DAYS before the murders.
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #52 on: June 29, 2023, 04:07:AM »
Please tell me now on this thread your belief of why Wilkinson cycles slowly. Don't refer me to anything please...

I have already done that on previous threads. Recently.

Do you have problems remembering things?

Are you not able to think of reasons yourself?
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #53 on: June 29, 2023, 04:12:AM »
Please tell me now on this thread your belief of why Wilkinson cycles slowly. Don't refer me to anything please...

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11822.msg542259.html#msg542259

Reply 9. Posted a few days ago.

Please try to remember snd think of reasons yourself.

I have given you the fact that Wilkinson cycled 4 minutes per mile slower than the average time it takes cycling at an average pace to cycle a mile.

Obviously there will be reasons why.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2023, 04:25:AM by Adam »
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #54 on: June 29, 2023, 04:18:AM »
OK,June bought her bike from a man in Maldon in mid july.
So let us put it all together.Bamber told Julie in june that he hoped that Sheila and the twins would visit the farm soon,SOON! And he had decided to use a bike in the execution of the crime and would do a trial run.

Surely this would mean getting hold of a bike ASAP to carry out the trial run and have the bike revved up ready to go,he said himself that he hoped Sheila would visit soon.So with harvest fast approaching when any spare time would be limited ,surely Bamber would have seen about getting hold of a bike there and then in preparation?

The school holidays would have started long before July,so Sheila could have appeared with the boys at any time.

Yet,here's the thing Bamber did not purchase a bike in june after deciding to use one in the shooting, nor in the first half of july,now keep in mind that Sheila could have arrived with the boys at short notice at any time and the harvest was starting,yet no bike had been purchased yet roughly a month after Bamber had decided to use one.

Then,low and behold June just happens to buy a bike in the nick of time,so Bamber decides he wont need to.
But lets just think about this for a minute,June buys the bike for her own use,so why does Bamber think he can just take it? Why would he imagine that he can just take it away,do a trial run and then use it to carry out the crime? What if June simply loved using the bike and used it every day without fail,how could JB steal it from her? Or even ask her to let Julie use it?

No way could Bamber count on using Junes bike,there is no way he could have known that she would not take to it and abandon it to be pinched or loaned even to Julie. And keep in mind,the bike was only purchased three weeks before the murders anyway.

Maybe I am not making my point very clear,but just look at it this way,the prosecution wants you to believe that Bamber decided in june 1985 to use a bike to carry out the murders,yet did not purchase one.However in mid july his mum just happened to by a bike albeit a ladies bike and Bamber decided that he would somehow manage to obtain IT,to use in the crime.And luckily for Bamber,June did not take to the bike and he was free,albeit at the very last minute to either pinch the bike from under  June's nose or ask her for a loan of it,JUST as Sheila and the boys are arriving at the farm.PHEW! Thats cutting it a bit fine isn't it?

Now you could argue that Bamber put off buying a bike in june or sometime before when he decided one would be needed because there was word of June buying a bike,but why would he gamble on this? June may have even changed her mind or if she did buy one take to it like a duck to water as said.

No,I think common sense tells us that as soon as Bamber decided to use a bike he would have bought one,and not waited on the off chance that June would buy one and disowen it soon after.
Poppycock! Just think the time line through from the first alleged mention of a bike by Bamber sometime in june until he finally got his hands on one just DAYS before the murders.

The word here is 'hoped' they would visit.

No point Bamber buying a bike until he knows they are visiting.

Or better still when they are at WHF. Sheila & 6 year old boys would be unreliable & could cancel.

By the time he found out they were visiting or at WHF he didn't need to buy a bike as June had one.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2023, 04:50:AM by Adam »
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #55 on: June 29, 2023, 04:40:AM »
Anyway the fact is June's bike arrived at Bamber's cottage 2 days before the massacre.

Julie testified Bamber planned to cycle The Sea Wall and believed it would take him 15 minutes.

Nevill, June & Bamber had cars and taxis existed in 1985. He did not steal June's bike so Julie could cycle from Goldhanger to Tolleshunt D'arcy.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2023, 05:11:AM by Adam »
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #56 on: June 29, 2023, 05:16:AM »
Just did a Goldganger - Tolleshunt D'arcy route check online.

Says it would take 13 minutes to cycle via Maldon Road.

Tolleshunt D'arcy is further away than WHF. There is no way it would take 22 minutes longer to cycle from Goldhanger to WHF via The Sea Wall.

On a scale of 1-10 - 10 being 'flat out', 1 being walking pace, Wilkinson cycled at a 2.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2023, 05:21:AM by Adam »
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #57 on: June 29, 2023, 08:12:AM »
I have already done that on previous threads. Recently.

Do you have problems remembering things?

Are you not able to think of reasons yourself?

I don't believe it happened

It's ludicrous

You are just on a wind up
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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #58 on: June 29, 2023, 08:16:AM »
Wilkinson was born in 1950

So only 35 at the time of the events.

He was born in Colchester. And more than likely if not familiar with the route. Had studied a map or coordinate before the journey

The pedometer would not need to be checked constantly. Just at the conclusion of the journey.

He was doing a reconissance mission of a suspected killers cycle run. None of this " 20 percent bollocks " he would go at a normal pace.

Doubtful he was unfit. Ainsley would have not got him to do it and got someone else instead.

Before you say source. Conduct your own research. You haven't provided sources for Wilkinsons escipades just opinions

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Re: Confirmation June's bike was stolen.
« Reply #59 on: June 29, 2023, 08:17:AM »
I don't believe it happened

It's ludicrous

You are just on a wind up

I know you believe Bamber drove or cycled via Maldon Road.

But you have no choice but to agree Wilkinson cycled The Sea Wall at a 2/10 pace. It is a fact.
« Last Edit: June 29, 2023, 08:18:AM by Adam »
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