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andrea

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #60 on: August 02, 2011, 09:28:PM »
Mmmmm "The Daily Mirror" that fountain of statistical immutable knowledge. That bedrock of indisputable fact.
The apex of journalistic nirvana and the envy of Fleet Street

It must be strange that a man falls off a ladder and in doing so dies. As tragic as that is, it is hardly stuff of Lee Harvey Oswald-type conspiracy is it?


"Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.
Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U97lbv0_A2I



what did all that mean  :-\

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #61 on: August 02, 2011, 09:34:PM »
Mmmmm "The Daily Mirror" that fountain of statistical immutable knowledge. That bedrock of indisputable fact.
The apex of journalistic nirvana and the envy of Fleet Street

It must be strange that a man falls off a ladder and in doing so dies. As tragic as that is, it is hardly stuff of Lee Harvey Oswald-type conspiracy is it?


"Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.
Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U97lbv0_A2I



what did all that mean  :-\
It's from 'V for Vendetta' - a top film IMHO (and presumably in Keira's!)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/
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andrea

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #62 on: August 02, 2011, 09:35:PM »
never heard of it bob  ;)

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #63 on: August 02, 2011, 09:38:PM »
never heard of it bob  ;)
You should get it out on DVD - it's a brilliant "lone man fights for freedom in a corrupt society" movie - fitting in many respects for the pro-Bambers  :D

andrea

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #64 on: August 02, 2011, 09:43:PM »
nah i would only get bored  ;)

ever seen dead mans shoes? cracking film.

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #65 on: August 02, 2011, 11:31:PM »
Mmmmm "The Daily Mirror" that fountain of statistical immutable knowledge. That bedrock of indisputable fact.
The apex of journalistic nirvana and the envy of Fleet Street

It must be strange that a man falls off a ladder and in doing so dies. As tragic as that is, it is hardly stuff of Lee Harvey Oswald-type conspiracy is it?


"Voilà! In view, a humble vaudevillian veteran, cast vicariously as both victim and villain by the vicissitudes of Fate. This visage, no mere veneer of vanity, is a vestige of the vox populi, now vacant, vanished. However, this valorous visitation of a by-gone vexation, stands vivified and has vowed to vanquish these venal and virulent vermin van-guarding vice and vouchsafing the violently vicious and voracious violation of volition.
The only verdict is vengeance; a vendetta, held as a votive, not in vain, for the value and veracity of such shall one day vindicate the vigilant and the virtuous.
Verily, this vichyssoise of verbiage veers most verbose, so let me simply add that it's my very good honor to meet you and you may call me V."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U97lbv0_A2I



what did all that mean  :-\
It's from 'V for Vendetta' - a top film IMHO (and presumably in Keira's!)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0434409/


Oh, yes! I love V for Vendetta, it's a brilliant film!

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #66 on: September 09, 2012, 12:03:PM »
Regarding ladder statistics i know this topic is a little old, but someone has posts an infographic on ladder statistics its in conjunction with Rospa, and has some good data on ladder injurys it might help someone

ladder injury Infographic

Source
http://www.ladders-direct.com/blog/infographic-ladder-injury-statistics/

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #67 on: September 09, 2012, 12:16:PM »
"Jones went home and was up a ladder doing house repairs when he fell and
suffered injuries that eventually led to his death, on May 11, 1986. It’s more than a little coincidental that the only officer who always believed Bamber’s account of events should have died in a freak accident, but there is nothing obviously untoward in the incident, which I investigated thoroughly. It was without doubt a genuine accident, as the inquest into Jones’s death confirmed."

http://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:Tl_ccG59sGwJ:davidjamessmith.net/pdf_articles/DJS_bamber.pdf+Jeremy+Bamber+Jones+died+fall+ladder+broke&hl=en&gl=uk&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESitCv820yTkN5ndupo7isLx6DNL8kKY9OcKGg64_kxHmnduZG8DTQ5j1m7ZCPZJzDjN3UgVNDpL5u4rWKD-lKM-B82szrdJwTg-5J2MVmafRay-EE_D75grzPic3EkLMF9Rl66v&sig=AHIEtbTbgkHSeEpGlrEFXUBICs5OTHzWtQ

I'm sorry that Taff Jones died but I'm wondering what difference it would have made to the trial had he testified. The Defence's strategy was not to put the Police in a bad light as this would only cast doubt on the "four murders and a suicide" theory which they had originally expounded. The dossier of evidence against Sheila had been stolen from a Policeman's attic I believe so it would only have been Taff Jones relating his original theories in the first few weeks of the case from memory,after which he was removed from the case and superseded by Asst CC Peter Simpson.
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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #68 on: September 09, 2012, 12:33:PM »
I'm sorry that Taff Jones died but I'm wondering what difference it would have made to the trial had he testified. The Defence's strategy was not to put the Police in a bad light as this would only cast doubt on the "four murders and a suicide" theory which they had originally expounded. The dossier of evidence against Sheila had been stolen from a Policeman's attic I believe so it would only have been Taff Jones relating his original theories in the first few weeks of the case from memory,after which he was removed from the case and superseded by Asst CC Peter Simpson.

Hello lovely Steve.
The deceased officer had notched up over 30 years of service to the force,in which he'd worked himself up to the status in his profession. What I'd have called," one of the old school ". These officers were far more intelligent to my mind as there was no technology when they began their careers,so therefore they all used what they were born with,,,their brains.
The whole trial would have been conducted with more expertise than it was,and Jeremy wouldn't have been convicted,simple as that.
" Taff " Jones had" seen it all" before during his service,and therefore was able to work out pretty well straight away what had occurred at WHF. I'm sure if he'd have thought that Jeremy had had any dealings with the case,then Jones would have said.
Why do you think that the relatives were unhappy about that decision.? Because being as they weren't regular visitors to WHF,they knew sweet f.a. about the family,or its situation with Sheila.
All they had to offer was a trumped-up version of Jeremys' " greed " and the fact that they'd heard all sorts of tales from various sources.
I'd like to see the lot of them sit a polygraph test.

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #69 on: September 09, 2012, 12:38:PM »
Hello lovely Steve.
The deceased officer had notched up over 30 years of service to the force,in which he'd worked himself up to the status in his profession. What I'd have called," one of the old school ". These officers were far more intelligent to my mind as there was no technology when they began their careers,so therefore they all used what they were born with,,,their brains.
The whole trial would have been conducted with more expertise than it was,and Jeremy wouldn't have been convicted,simple as that.
" Taff " Jones had" seen it all" before during his service,and therefore was able to work out pretty well straight away what had occurred at WHF. I'm sure if he'd have thought that Jeremy had had any dealings with the case,then Jones would have said.
Why do you think that the relatives were unhappy about that decision.? Because being as they weren't regular visitors to WHF,they knew sweet f.a. about the family,or its situation with Sheila.
All they had to offer was a trumped-up version of Jeremys' " greed " and the fact that they'd heard all sorts of tales from various sources.
I'd like to see the lot of them sit a polygraph test.

Taff Jones made a mess:he made up his mind it was "four murders and a suicide" on the plum tones of an Essex public schoolboy,destroyed vital blood spatter evidence by burning carpets and bedding and boxed himself into a corner when the relatives started to question his decision. He let Jeremy Bamber off the hook in his first questioning,giving Jeremy false hope that the Police had nothing on him,and by the time Taff's superiors had cottoned on to his incompetence the die was cast,Taff was removed with the corresponding loss of face this entailed,from which I doubt he ever recovered.

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #70 on: September 09, 2012, 12:47:PM »
Taff Jones made a mess:he made up his mind it was "four murders and a suicide" on the plum tones of an Essex public schoolboy,destroyed vital blood spatter evidence by burning carpets and bedding and boxed himself into a corner when the relatives started to question his decision. He let Jeremy Bamber off the hook in his first questioning,giving Jeremy false hope that the Police had nothing on him,and by the time Taff's superiors had cottoned on to his incompetence the die was cast,Taff was removed with the corresponding loss of face this entailed,from which I doubt he ever recovered.

Steve,he didn't make any more a mess than the next lot who took over. I think everyone will agree that it was more than a botched investigation,and I believe that Jeremy should have had a re-trial,given that the original one was so unfair as well as being unsafe in many ways.
Steve,I know many people who have " plum tones " but they're by no means murderers/esses. It doesn't mean a thing.

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #71 on: September 09, 2012, 01:57:PM »
Taff Jones made a mess:he made up his mind it was "four murders and a suicide" on the plum tones of an Essex public schoolboy,destroyed vital blood spatter evidence by burning carpets and bedding and boxed himself into a corner when the relatives started to question his decision. He let Jeremy Bamber off the hook in his first questioning,giving Jeremy false hope that the Police had nothing on him,and by the time Taff's superiors had cottoned on to his incompetence the die was cast,Taff was removed with the corresponding loss of face this entailed,from which I doubt he ever recovered.

Presumably then, Kenneally must have also made up his mind on the plum tones of a public schoolboy? 

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2012, 07:23:PM »
Taff suffered Multiple injuries including a Fractured Skull....
Who was with him when this happened and who decided his death was accident?

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2012, 07:26:PM »
Although they may be rare - they obviously so happen. End of.

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Re: The odds of dying by falling off a ladder
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2012, 07:26:PM »
Taff suffered Multiple injuries including a Fractured Skull....
Who was with him when this happened and who decided his death was accident?

The coroner,I suppose.