Possibility of Sheila being shot first. Once.

[Rob_]

But he was on a high with his drug intake. Remember he was squeamish by nature, hence his practising with strangling rats. He had a time window from establishing his alibi by watching Man Alive to walking or cycling home under the cover of darkness. When the drugs began to wear off he was already back at Goldhanger ready for the next stage of his plan.

Even with gloves strangling rats is extremely risky, he would have to trap them first as catching them in the wild is next to impossible.

I stood on one once and it fled, but cornered they can attack.

Killing rats in no way would prepare him for killing humans anyway.

[Steve_uk]

Even with gloves strangling rats is extremely risky, he would have to trap them first as catching them in the wild is next to impossible.

I stood on one once and it fled, but cornered they can attack.

Killing rats in no way would prepare him for killing humans anyway.

Apparently they had been eating his cannabis plants and were thus slowed down.

[Adam]

Once he phoned his AM from WHF, he had what he considered minimal time constraints.

I disagree he was under severe time constraints as he believed calls could be traced.


Prior to that he had none at WHF so could shower, wash items & stage the scene.

I sort of agree but Bamber would not shower etc. then clamber through dusty windows and cycle flat out through fields.

Phoning Julie at 3.00am & then the police at 3.26am shows he was was not rushing.

No evidence he believed calls could be traced.

[Adam]

Once he phoned his AM from WHF, he had what he considered minimal time constraints.

I disagree he was under severe time constraints as he believed calls could be traced.


Prior to that he had none at WHF so could shower, wash items & stage the scene.

I sort of agree but Bamber would not shower etc. then clamber through dusty windows and cycle flat out through fields.

Dusty?

Cycling for 20 minutes will not hurt him.

[Steve_uk]

Phoning Julie at 3.00am & then the police at 3.26am shows he was was not rushing.

No evidence he believed calls could be traced.

We don't know the exact time of the Julie call. What is difficult to believe is his flicking through the Yellow Pages in search of a telephone number for a few minutes. Far more likely he was cleaning himself up and changing clothes.

[Adam]

We don't know the exact time of the Julie call. What is difficult to believe is his flicking through the Yellow Pages in search of a telephone number for twenty minutes. Far more likely he was cleaning himself up and changing clothes.

He called her at 3.00am. As said by two housemates. Probably within 10 minutes of arriving back. Being hyped & wanting to tell someone.

He certainly didn't call her at 3.30am as he was speaking to the police then.

He certainly didn't call her after the speaking to the police. This would be after 3.36am.

[Rob_]

Phoning Julie at 3.00am & then the police at 3.26am shows he was was not rushing.

No evidence he believed calls could be traced.

Then no point in calling his AM if he ever had one that is?

[Adam]

Then no point in calling his AM if he ever had one that is?

Will never know if he called his AM. It was an option for him. Better safe than sorry.

If he didn't he was lucky. Another 18 months & he wouldn't have been so lucky.

He planned to call his cottage on the last number dialled portable phone. Assume he would have let his AM pick up.

[Steve_uk]

Then no point in calling his AM if he ever had one that is?

I think Adam means being traced by BT and data handed to police. He wanted a call made from White House Farm to register on his answerphone. But I believe a police officer that morning entered Nevill's office and used the blue-coloured telephone, thus wiping the last number from its memory.

[Adam]

It would take too long. There would also be blood spatter somewhere in the bedroom.

Disagree as said earlier.

Do you believe he shot Daniel/Nicholas first (once each) or June/Nevill first (9 times).

[Steve_uk]

He called her at 3.00am. As said by two housemates. Probably within 10 minutes of arriving back. Being hyped & wanting to tell someone.

He certainly didn't call her at 3.30am as he was speaking to the police then.

He certainly didn't call her after the speaking to the police. This would be after 3.36am.

If you read Chapter 34 of CAL Jeremy claims Nevill rang "some time after 3:00am". Jeremy then claims he telephoned Julie, a call which lasted one to two minutes. He then decided to telephone Chelmsford Police, though spent ten minutes looking for the number.

[Steve_uk]

Disagree as said earlier.

Do you believe he shot Daniel/Nicholas first (once each) or June/Nevill first (9 times).

I think he killed the twins first and came back to them later. Then he entered the master bedroom and pumped what was left in the chamber into Nevill and June.

[Adam]

I think he killed the twins first and came back to them later. Then he entered the master bedroom and pumped what was left in the chamber into Nevill and June.

That is what I think. No reason to not fully load the rifle before going upstairs.

Although shooting Sheila or June/Nevill first is possible if not fully loaded.

[Rob_]

Apparently they had been eating his cannabis plants and were thus slowed down.

This is a myth Steve eating raw cannabis plants would not make rats high.

[Rob_]

I think Adam means being traced by BT and data handed to police. He wanted a call made from White House Farm to register on his answerphone. But I believe a police officer that morning entered Nevill's office and used the blue-coloured telephone, thus wiping the last number from its memory.

The call was set up to look like it was made from the cream phone downstairs which had no redial, so the redial facility on the blue coloured phone was neither here nor their?