Possibility of Sheila being shot first. Once.

[Adam]

Myall's WS states Bamber told him he had loaded the rifle with 10 bullets. If correct, not possible he could shoot the twins first. Once each.

It is possible Sheila was shot first where she slept. Once. The remaining 9 bullets fired into June and Nevill.

The twins remained sleeping behind thick doors & walls. As the evidence shows.

After the kitchen fight & all other bullets had been despatched, Sheila was carried a few yards to her final resting place. To give the impression she had been out of bed. This is when Bamber noticed she was still breathing.

Sheila's bed sheets removed & washed along with his massacre clothes. New bed sheets put on the bed 

[Adam]

As with most of the case, lots of possibilities which would work with a Bamber scenario. Dependent on amount of bullets in the rifle -

Eleven bullets - Twins shot first. Once each.

Nine bullets - Nevill/June shot first.

Ten bullets - Sheila shot first. Once. Nevill/June shot 9 times.

[Adam]

It is up to each invidual what order they believe is best to successfully carry out the killings. Each order has it's advantages and disadvantages.

Bamber would have made his decision beforehand. Based on his knowledge of WHF & the targets.

I don't agree with Guest29835 that he would shoot the twins first, 8 times. Then go downstairs to re load. That is risky and he may have been going for an 11 shot massacre.

[ILB]

It is up to each invidual what order they believe is best to successfully carry out the killings. Each order has it's advantages and disadvantages.

Bamber would have made his decision beforehand. Based on his knowledge of WHF & the targets.

I don't agree with Guest29835 that he would shoot the twins first, 8 times. Then go downstairs to re load. That is risky and he may have been going for an 11 shot massacre.

What's risky ?

[Rob_]

It is up to each invidual what order they believe is best to successfully carry out the killings. Each order has it's advantages and disadvantages.

Bamber would have made his decision beforehand. Based on his knowledge of WHF & the targets.

I don't agree with Guest29835 that he would shoot the twins first, 8 times. Then go downstairs to re load. That is risky and he may have been going for an 11 shot massacre.

We will never know the order of the shots, Bamber would have taken bullets with him in case he needed to reload not go back downstairs.

Sheila would have shot the twins first, Bamber would have shot Nevil first I believe.

[Steve_uk]

What's risky ?

That one of the other three adults wakes up and calls police or otherwise creates a disturbance.

[Steve_uk]

Myall's WS states Bamber told him he had loaded the rifle with 10 bullets. If correct, not possible he could shoot the twins first. Once each.

It is possible Sheila was shot first where she slept. Once. The remaining 9 bullets fired into June and Nevill.

The twins remained sleeping behind thick doors & walls. As the evidence shows.

After the kitchen fight & all other bullets had been despatched, Sheila was carried a few yards to her final resting place. To give the impression she had been out of bed. This is when Bamber noticed she was still breathing.

Sheila's bed sheets removed & washed along with his massacre clothes. New bed sheets put on the bed

It would take too long. There would also be blood spatter somewhere in the bedroom.

[Adam]

No blood spatter. Barely enough spatter to get in the silencer.

He was under no time constraints at WHF. If he decided to shower, change & wash items there.

Minimal time constraints at his cottage going by his 3.00am call to Julie.

[Adam]

We will never know the order of the shots, Bamber would have taken bullets with him in case he needed to reload not go back downstairs.

Sheila would have shot the twins first, Bamber would have shot Nevil first I believe.

That is an option. He would just need some pockets.

Probably felt confident he would negate everyone sufficiently in his opening ambush.

If he had to go downstairs to re load, everyone would be sufficiently wounded to give him time.

[Steve_uk]

No blood spatter. Barely enough spatter to get in the silencer.

He was under no time constraints at WHF. If he decided to shower, change & wash items there.

Minimal time constraints at his cottage going by his 3.00am call to Julie.

He was because the call to police was in effect his alibi.

[Adam]

He was because the call to police was in effect his alibi.

I don't understand that.

Once he phoned his AM from WHF, he had what he considered minimal time constraints.

Prior to that he had none at WHF so could shower, wash items & stage the scene.

At his cottage he had at least 40 minutes to wash clothes/sheets if he chose to do so there. 

[Steve_uk]

I don't understand that.

Once he phoned his AM from WHF, he had what he considered minimal time constraints.

Prior to that he had none at WHF so could shower, wash items & stage the scene.

At his cottage he had at least 40 minutes to wash clothes/sheets if he chose to do so there.

The longer he dawdled at White House Farm the more suspicious it would look to law enforcement. He delayed entry by the Raid Team by claiming Sheila had recently indulged in target practice, his plan initially being to kill his sister with just one bullet, and hoping if she were not killed outright she would at least bleed to death before help for the victims could be sought.

[Adam]

The longer he dawdled at White House Farm the more suspicious it would look to law enforcement. He delayed entry by the Raid Team by claiming Sheila had recently indulged in target practice, his plan initially being to kill his sister with just one bullet, and hoping if she were not killed outright she would at least bleed to death before help for the victims could be sought.

How would the police know how long he took at WHF?

He didn't ring them until he got back to Goldhanger.

[Steve_uk]

How would the police know how long he took at WHF?

He didn't ring them until he got back to Goldhanger.

But he was on a high with his drug intake. Remember he was squeamish by nature, hence his practising with strangling rats. He had a time window from establishing his alibi by watching Man Alive to walking or cycling home under the cover of darkness. When the drugs began to wear off he was already back at Goldhanger ready for the next stage of his plan.

[Rob_]

I don't understand that.

Once he phoned his AM from WHF, he had what he considered minimal time constraints.

Prior to that he had none at WHF so could shower, wash items & stage the scene.

At his cottage he had at least 40 minutes to wash clothes/sheets if he chose to do so there.

Once he phoned his AM from WHF, he had what he considered minimal time constraints.

I disagree he was under severe time constraints as he believed calls could be traced.


Prior to that he had none at WHF so could shower, wash items & stage the scene.

I sort of agree but Bamber would not shower etc. then clamber through dusty windows and cycle flat out through fields.