Prodding Nevill

[Steve_uk]

Because she was scared SC would kill her too and we do not know how things were inside WHF. Someone did summon and ambulance but who has not been documented as far as we are aware. The documentation we have suggests there was some activity and a 999 call at around 06.00am. This could have been June because SC had killed herself and it was safe to do so.

What nonsense. The relationship between mother and daughter always was dominatrix and submissive. It's why the resentment grew in Jeremy and found no outlet until that tragic morning.  Though both siblings had come to an awkward modus vivendi with their mother Sheila was more bewildered than aggrieved, recognizing finally that June was helping in some aspects of her life, and by the end they had achieved some rapprochement, even though partly on June's terms.

[Bubo bubo]

The beans got wet long and had to be tossed.

From the 2002 Appeal:

283. In interview the following passage appeared:

"Appellant: There are many ways to get into the house i.e. windows"

Question: "What do you mean, insecure windows?

Appellant: "Insecure windows, secure windows, it makes no difference".

284. On the 12 September, 2 days later he was asked:

"Question: Have you ever got in a window by putting something in between the window frames, like a knife, to move the catch so you could slide the window open?

Answer: "Yes".

Question: Which window?

Answer: Downstairs toilet and lounge window".

He was being honest. If guilty he could have just said no. They had no proof one way or the other.

[Bubo bubo]

What nonsense. The relationship between mother and daughter always was dominatrix and submissive. It's why the resentment grew in Jeremy and found no outlet until that tragic morning.  Though both siblings had come to an awkward modus vivendi with their mother Sheila was more bewildered than aggrieved, recognizing finally that June was helping in some aspects of her life, and by the end they had achieved some rapprochement, even though partly on June's terms.

pure speculation and again a negative spin. No rebuttal about the calling of the ambulance and changing the subject. Your over weaning sense of importance and your linguistics cuts no ice with me. You use language to try and intimidate others.

[Steve_uk]

A passport is not a possession for most of us that is in constant use. He was still grieving internally even if he put on a brave face to others. People sometimes find when they examine it that it out of date. This happened to many because of Covid and caused a backlog at the passport office. Try to be objective as to reasons for his actions. You and other guilters always put a negative spin on his every action.

No a former Gresham's teacher doubted the sincerity of his comportment at the funeral of his parents and sister and telephoned police to inform them of the suspicion.

[Steve_uk]

He was being honest. If guilty he could have just said no. They had no proof one way or the other.

What ready-made excuse do you have for him entering White House Farm via secure windows on previous occasions?

[Bubo bubo]

What ready-made excuse do you have for him entering White House Farm via secure windows on previous occasions?

Firstly if he did, we do not know when or why. It could have been at any time in the past. When he was a teenager during the school holidays. It could have been when his cousins were staying at the farm. He may have done it to impress them or another friend. Maybe his parents were away and he had forgotten his keys and he was locked out and was hungry You just look at the negatives every time.

I would like to suggest that you give up on this case and devote your undoubted skills to enrich the lives of the children you teach after all that is your vocation

[Steve_uk]

Firstly if he did, we do not know when. It could have been at any time in the past. When he was a teenager during the school holidays. It could have been when his cousins were staying at the farm. He may have done it to impress them or another friend. Maybe his parents were away and he had forgotten his keys and he was locked out and was hungry You just look at the negatives every time.

I would like to suggest that you give up on this case and devote your undoubted skills to enrich the lives of the children you teach after all that is your vocation

I'm speaking for those who cannot answer back, who lost their lives tragically because one selfish, conceited, overgrown nonentity of a public schoolboy wanted money without effort. Five had to die to accomplish that mission. I won't trade personal insults and I suggest you refrain from further harrying.

[Bubo bubo]

I'm speaking for those who cannot answer back, who lost their lives tragically because one selfish, conceited, overgrown nonentity of a public schoolboy wanted money without effort. Five had to die to accomplish that mission. I won't trade personal insults and I suggest you refrain from further harrying.

I have praised rather than insulted in my latest post. You do not need to do this for the deceased. The law is there to protect/give justice for them and it appears it has. You should devote what time you have to the living. Unlike the deceased you can enhance their lives

[Steve_uk]

I have praised rather than insulted in my latest post. You do not need to do this for the deceased. The law is there to protect/give justice for them and it appears it has. You should devote what time you have to the living. Unlike the deceased you can enhance their lives

As I've said to many people in the past: had I wanted a nagging wife I would have married one.

[Bubo bubo]

As I've said to many people in the past: had I wanted a nagging wife I would have married one.

In that case divorce is now the only option to rid yourself of the problem. We have no children who will be distressed at our separation.

[Jane]

Firstly if he did, we do not know when or why. It could have been at any time in the past. When he was a teenager during the school holidays. It could have been when his cousins were staying at the farm. He may have done it to impress them or another friend. Maybe his parents were away and he had forgotten his keys and he was locked out and was hungry You just look at the negatives every time.

I would like to suggest that you give up on this case and devote your undoubted skills to enrich the lives of the children you teach after all that is your vocation

But it's not a question of "IF" he did, is it? He freely admitted to having done so in order to retrieve his passport. It does suggest it was something he'd already tried.

[Zoso]

You have that correct. DCI Jones, when he checked, found that the bathroom window was locked. DCS Mike Ainsley took the view that some policeman must have opened it, before Golding closed it again afterwards.

Here is what Ainsley said in his Final Report. The notion that Taff Jones didn't check properly is just invented out of thin air. Ainsley never said he thought that.

"There was no apparent entry to or exit from the house and D.Chief Inspector Jones did in fact examine the inside of all ground floor windows and noted that they were all shut and secured on their latches. The scene was photographed. It seems however that after the inspection of D.Chief Inspector Jones some person had partially opened the transom window in the kitchen and also opened the catch on the ground floor bathroom windows. I have been unable to discover the person responsible but there was comment made of the smell in the kitchen and the flies gathering. There is no reason to believe that the bathroom window was opened, but following the departure of the Scene of Crime officer, the witness Police Sergeant Golding secured the windows mentioned."

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10077.msg471811.html#msg471811

It's not 'invented' at all, it's surmised like a lot of things here. What you have posted simply proved he had no idea why the bathroom window was unlocked, which is EXACTLY what I said. Jones wasn't there long enough to do much, less check all of the windows.

He is defending Jones and Essex police's sloppy treatment of the crime scene but fails to provide an adequate reason and proof for why the bathroom window was unlocked.

[Zoso]

I'm speaking for those who cannot answer back, who lost their lives tragically because one selfish, conceited, overgrown nonentity of a public schoolboy wanted money without effort. Five had to die to accomplish that mission. I won't trade personal insults and I suggest you refrain from further harrying.

For me, you are part of the forum and always will be!!

[Steve_uk]

For me, you are part of the forum and always will be!!

Thank you Zoso. We have a unique collection of characters here, some sadly departed. Let's hope we can attract new members too.

[Bubo bubo]

But it's not a question of "IF" he did, is it? He freely admitted to having done so in order to retrieve his passport. It does suggest it was something he'd already tried.

I agree but we do not know when or why. Yours response is not relevant unless we have the answers to these two questions.