Why Nevill waking June is a much better option than phoning Bamber's AM.

[Adam]

June was Nevill's first option.

June was the nearest available adult.

Natural reaction for Nevill to wake June. Rather than ring Bamber's AM at 3.10am.

June was 30 yards away.

June was awake or likely to wake from Sheila's outburst anyway.

June was a light sleeper. So likely to wake anyway.

It was June's house which gives her some authotity. 

June was Sheila's mother. Sheila more likely to respect her than Bamber. 

June was Sheila's mother. Will have more experience of calming down Sheila than Bamber. 

June was financially supporting Sheila's life in London. Sheila likely to be less hostile.

June had invited Sheila to WHF. Sheila likely to be grateful & less hostile.

No evidence Bamber got on better with Sheila than June did.

June was as strong as Sheila.

June could protect the twins when awake.

Waking June would prevent her getting shot 5 times in bed.

Nevill would not have to repeatedly ring Bamber's AM at 3.10am.

Nevill would not have to wait hours for Bamber to perhaps turn up.

June was already in a house where Sheila was apparently having a psychotic outburst. No point also trying to get Bamber inside.

June assisting would mean the police or Bamber would not have to be called.

June would not call the police. Unless Nevill told her to. Bamber said Nevill liked to keep things private. Ringing Bamber risked Bamber calling the police.

Nevill ringing Bamber's AM while June continues sleeping means Sheila is not being monitored. Better to wake June.

Ringing Bamber's AM while June sleeps puts the twins in danger.

June will not be upset if Nevill wakes her for assistance. Her daughter needed calming down.

Waking June is putting her in less danger than her continuing to sleep.

Nothing to lose in getting June to assist. If Nevill is having difficultly himself.

If June & Nevill still could not calm down Sheila, at least June was up & awake. Rather than a sitting duck.

Bamber said himself him & Sheila did not like each other. Nevill would know this.

Bamber has said since conviction he did not understand Sheila's illness. Nevill would know this.

June was available instantly.

If June was only of minimal help, that is better than the zero help Bamber gave.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11653.msg536423.html#msg536423

[Adam]

Thirty facts why Nevill would get June for assistance first. 

In the very unlikely event Nevill had turned into a weak Frank Spencer & not instantly reclaimed the rifle.

[Adam]

Hopefully Sherlock has not disappeared for days again & responds to these 30 facts. He posted today -

'There was zero chance of June calming Sheila down'.

[Adam]

Obviously the 30 facts are available for everyone to address. To either counter or agree with.

Nevill ringing Bamber's AM at 3.10am is weird enough. Doing that instead of waking an available adult in the house is a massive obstacle supporters must overcome.

[Adam]

Supporters say June slept through it all. Then say Sheila would have woken from an upstairs rifle with silencer attached!

Don't believe the CT have ever said why Nevill did not get June's assistance. Or explain why June did not wake. They are lucky they do not have to address the above 30 facts. But at least posters here can address them.

[Adam]

The above 30 facts are what I would call 'common sense' facts - 'June was the nearest available adult' etc.

Getting June's assistance would be a common sense action from Nevill. If he needed assistance.

Ringing Bamber's AM at 3.10am instead is something no one in Nevill's situation would consider doing.

[Adam]

Bamber's tactic when meeting the police outside was to demonise Sheila. Together with saying they didn't like each other & Sheila knew how to use the rifles inside WHF.

This was to create a seige mentally within EP.

His tactic worked. 

But the question would quickly arise within EP - 'so why the heck would Nevill phone him when Sheila's mother was there'?

[Adam]

Nevill ringing Bamber's AM means Nevill is losing more control of the situation -

He can't monitor Sheila inside WHF while ringing. 

He has no control if/when Bamber answers.

He has no control if/when Bamber arrives.

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Waking June means Nevill would not lose more control inside WHF.

Another 'common sense fact'.

[Adam]

Hopefully will get responses to my thread post.

June simultaneously not waking or being woken by Nevill is such a huge obstacle for supporters even the CT have never touched on it.

Not really much leeway to disagree with my thread post. They are 30 facts. 

It is more a case of countering with reasons why Nevill still would choose to phone Bamber's AM instead. Or say why one of the facts is not important.

Dig in.

[Rob_]

Not sure how you believe June would have helped the situation Adam? She would have inflamed it.

Nevil was really in a pickle, for the first time he was struggling to control Sheila and keep her calm I think possibly because the children had already been shot?

The warning signs were all there if only they had been spotted:

Recognize signs of relapse. Some signs may be evident before you witness a psychotic episode. Social withdraw and isolation, poor personal hygiene, sleep disturbances, and increasing paranoia may signal noncompliance with treatment or a need for a change of treatment.[7]
If you notice signs of relapse, find out if the person has been taking medication as directed. Suggest talking to her doctor about changing treatment if it no longer seems effective or compliance is an issue.

Sheila was displaying the classic warning signs for example not speaking once on the drive down to WHF despite her children being in the car. Sadly no one spotted them.

[Adam]

Not sure how you believe June would have helped the situation Adam? She would have inflamed it.

Nevil was really in a pickle, for the first time he was struggling to control Sheila and keep her calm I think possibly because the children had already been shot?

The warning signs were all there if only they had been spotted:

Recognize signs of relapse. Some signs may be evident before you witness a psychotic episode. Social withdraw and isolation, poor personal hygiene, sleep disturbances, and increasing paranoia may signal noncompliance with treatment or a need for a change of treatment.[7]
If you notice signs of relapse, find out if the person has been taking medication as directed. Suggest talking to her doctor about changing treatment if it no longer seems effective or compliance is an issue.

Sheila was displaying the classic warning signs for example not speaking once on the drive down to WHF despite her children being in the car. Sadly no one spotted them.

Please address each of my 30 facts. Rather than give a generic response.

They are very strong 'common sense' reasons why Nevill would wake an available adult a few seconds away. Rather than let 5 people die.

[Rob_]

Please address each of my 30 facts. Rather than give a generic response.

They are very strong 'common sense' reasons why Nevill would wake an available adult a few seconds away. Rather than let 5 people die.

If a paranoid schizophrenic is having a episode common sense is you don't ask the person they least get on with to help Fact!

[Adam]

If a paranoid schizophrenic is having a episode common sense is you don't ask the person they least get on with to help Fact!

Please address my 30 facts. Which include -

'No evidence Bamber got on better with Sheila than June'. 

Appreciate this is a massive obstacle which even the CT have bottled. 

Man up.

[Rob_]

Please address my 30 facts. Which include -

'No evidence Bamber got on better with Sheila than June'. 

Appreciate this is a massive obstacle which even the CT have bottled. 

Man up.

Cannot be that bad JB took Sheila home from the party, sounds like they got on ok to me?

[Adam]

Cannot be that bad JB took Sheila home from the party, sounds like they got on ok to me?

Sheila was staying with June.

Sounds like they got on fine.

Please address my 30 facts. Rather than claim June & Nevill could not control Sheila.