Alan George Dovey Statement - 20/03/2002

[Patti]

I thought he didn't go into the bank with them if he drove them there. I don't know.

Steve this is what this thread is all about.  Dovey signed a statement, him being the man the two girls went to see at the bank and he is adamant that a police officer attended the bank with them and that the police officer had introduced the girls to him and that the same said officer returned to take a statement from him a week or two later....

The girls deny this was the case....

I will ask again, did Julie and her friend lie about this...

[Jane]

I thought he didn't go into the bank with them if he drove them there. I don't know.

Good God!!!!!!!! THAT must be the first time I've seen you admit to not knowing. I glean from that, that you DO know but you're trying to wriggle out of it.

[Steve_uk]

I don't see any pictures of Jeremy exposing unseemly large areas of naked flesh, Steve, nor do I hear his talking about his sex life. He has never accused anyone of abusing him and other than quite understandably wanting Julie with him after the murders, it was she who was attempting to hang on to him.

There was an allegation of abuse at Gresham's but I really don't think it's helpful to drag this up whoever was abused. We have discussed the media issue many times and if it hadn't been Julie selling her story it would have been Jeremy with Angi.

[Caroline R]

Most of the thread has been Steve changing the subject away from the fact that Julie, Susan Battersby and SJ lied about what went on at the bank. He knows she lied but to admit it would fly in the face of what he has previously said about Julie and if she lied about that, what else did she lie about?

[Jane]

Most of the thread has been Steve changing the subject away from the fact that Julie, Susan Battersby and SJ lied about what went on at the bank. He knows she lied but to admit it would fly in the face of what he has previously said about Julie and if she lied about that, what else did she lie about?

I have always believed that soul deep, in the small hours of the morning when there's no one to lie to, Steve DOES know that Julie LIED. It might only be ONE lie he admits to himself happened and he'll make excuses, to himself, for that lie, BUT, as you say, Caroline, it must now stare him in the face that if she is capable of one lie, she's capable of others.

I guess she did no more than many of us would do if we found ourselves being threatened by life changing odur because of our own actions. We see it every day in homes/schools/places of work. "It wasn't me Mum/Miss/Sir, it was him/her/them. I'm very sorry that I..............but he/she/they did something much worse and if you let me off I'll tell you" WE WOULD LIE TO SAVE OUR OWN SKINS.

[Steve_uk]

I've read all Julie's statements available on this forum but didn't come across the allegation which has been made.

[Patti]

I've read all Julie's statements available on this forum but didn't come across the allegation which has been made.

They denied it Steve, didn't they? 

Anyway, good night to you and all....

[Alias]

I thought he didn't go into the bank with them if he drove them there. I don't know.

He did go into the bank with them, and even stayed behind after the girls left, he apparently had some talking to do with the manager.
Don´t play dim now.

[maggie]

I have always believed that soul deep, in the small hours of the morning when there's no one to lie to, Steve DOES know that Julie LIED. It might only be ONE lie he admits to himself happened and he'll make excuses, to himself, for that lie, BUT, as you say, Caroline, it must now stare him in the face that if she is capable of one lie, she's capable of others.

I guess she did no more than many of us would do if we found ourselves being threatened by life changing odur because of our own actions. We see it every day in homes/schools/places of work. "It wasn't me Mum/Miss/Sir, it was him/her/them. I'm very sorry that I..............but he/she/they did something much worse and if you let me off I'll tell you" WE WOULD LIE TO SAVE OUR OWN SKINS.

Hi April, I do think when we are immature we point the finger away from ourselves as you have said.  I would hope as we grow up we learn to take responsibility for our own actions.

Because the girls were so young I can sort of understand their eagerness to pass the buck but I still believe there comes a cut off point when they should have understood the whole thing was getting out of hand and they needed to stop it. 

In a way, that is the part I find unforgiveable.  In my experience 20 is young, in fact, if those girls had been students and therefore had moved from school to Teachers Training College as it was then and had little or no idea about what made the world go round, had never been out in the big wide harsh world they maybe were up to a point naïve and ill equipped to deal with being manipulated further by EP.

For all that they were supposed to be intelligent young women.  At some point Julie tipped over from being naïve and silly into being downright greedy and criminal imo. 

[maggie]

He did go into the bank with them, and even stayed behind after the girls left, he apparently had some talking to do with the manager.
Don´t play dim now.

Alan George Dovey interviewed the girls and then had to ring the Chief Inspectors Department informing them of what had happened.  It was the Chief Inspectors Department who then decided how to deal with the girls.
I am not so niave that I believe the outcome had not already been decided between someone higher up in EP and the Chief Inspector's Department.  I would never accuse Alan Dovey of being involved, he very possibly wasn't but I am sure a deal had been done higher up the scale.

[tyler]

Hi Maggie,of course a deal had been done. The banks policy was to prosecute,but I guess that wasn't an option when it is was the actual Police themselves helping the girls to clear the matter up as one of them was to be their star witness. They didn't even receive a caution! How surreal!

[lebaleb]

Steve this is what this thread is all about.  Dovey signed a statement, him being the man the two girls went to see at the bank and he is adamant that a police officer attended the bank with them and that the police officer had introduced the girls to him and that the same said officer returned to take a statement from him a week or two later....

Hi Patti. Actually it was worse. Dovey says the policeman returned WITH a statement that he read and signed. The statement was prepared by the police. I don't think doing that is legal. Statements should be the words of the witness.

[Jane]

Steve this is what this thread is all about.  Dovey signed a statement, him being the man the two girls went to see at the bank and he is adamant that a police officer attended the bank with them and that the police officer had introduced the girls to him and that the same said officer returned to take a statement from him a week or two later....

The girls deny this was the case....

I will ask again, did Julie and her friend lie about this...

Patti, good morning. There COULD be a bit of a conundrum here. It is said that the officer concerned was off duty that day, so he would have accompanied the girls as a private citizen/friend as opposed to a law enforcement officer there in the course of duty. I KNOW it's splitting hairs but that would make it possible for the girls to say that a policeman didn't go with them and it makes it possible for the police to say they have no records of an officer performing that duty.

[grahameb]

If she is reading this, it's time to come clean!!!!

Wouldn't you agree the fact that he actually cares what she thinks about him is just a tad chauvinistic?

[lookout]

More destruction of notes concerning the bank,,and yet another excuse why. Apparently it was a policy of the bank itself ( Midland bank ).Had the notes been made available,,it would have proved JM as being an unreliable witness.
I can't understand how this case was allowed to continue. It was an utter disgrace from start to finish,,especially with the manipulative Stan Jones who'd continued to put words into the mouth of JM,,and she,,who had no compunction but to follow him and repeat what he,and the extended family had to say. I often wonder if she,too was rewarded in some way,,like some of the officers were,,on top of what she received from the NOTW. What a grasping greedy ********* Every one of her lies was supported by another liar.Yes,,it takes one to know one.! It makes me furious.