Alan George Dovey Statement - 20/03/2002

[Steve_uk]

So are you now saying that all children who have independence removed from them haven't bonded with parents /are potential murderers? I don't know which section of society you teach, but at Jeremy's level there was nothing out of the ordinaryabout ANY of the things he did.

It was an opportunistic crime april1..the guns lying about White House Farm,a mentally ill sister who was trying to get her life back together but wasn't allowed the chance by Jeremy,the wills tying Jeremy to pleasing the trustees and therefore shackling him to the Farm. He wasn't up to it,and should have told his parents bluntly instead of going through the motions with his fantasies about gaining automatic respect as the country squire.

By the way,your mention of histrionic personality disorder with its symptoms of craving for attention sounds far more like Jeremy than Julie to me..

[Caroline R]

Oh wow April - who does this remind you of?

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/histrionic-personality-disorder-symptoms/

[maggie]

But he didn't settle at the Farm;he worked at Little Chef. Might I recommend a book by James Mc Neish:"The Mask of Sanity". On one of the pages is an angelic-looking boy sitting at the dinner table with friends in Papua New Guinea. He looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly. That boy is David Bain..

I have been recommending that book for the past few years steve, it is very interesting and quite chilling at times but David Bain couldn't help his looks any more than Jeremy Bamber could help his. 

[Jane]

That is something of a coincidence - or maybe not! Her behaviour was not that of an average girl her age, that is for sure! Something was wrong with her.

Well Alias, Drama Queen is what comes very readily to mind. Everything over dramatised out of proportion, the need to be centre stage, the need to over sexualize can all actually come under one heading. The person is a LIAR.

[Steve_uk]

Steve, if you mention someone it would be helpful to actually write what they are supposed to have said, otherwise it's just a random name. I haven't hear of the guy you mentioned (the one heading for the military) so what did he say?

Arlidge moved on to the evidence of the soldier James Richards,who shared digs with Julie Mugford and had given evidence about Jeremy saying that he hated his parents. Jeremy denied saying this,but agreed it was the sort of thing that young people might say when complaining about their parents. Jeremy's voice had now dropped to a whisper,and both the judge and Geoffrey Rivlin had to ask him to speak up so that the jury could hear. The judge was particularly anxious to hear more from Jeremy on the subject. Why should James Richards come to court and swear that Jeremy had said with vehemence,"I hate my fucking parents".

The judge's intervention seemed to silence Jeremy Bamber.

"He said that you said it two or three times",the judge reminded him.

"That is what he said",Jeremy agreed.

Mr. Justice Drake was not satisfied. "Can you explain to the jury why you think that man should come along and give that evidence to this court if it is not true?"

Jeremy paused. "I can only surmise,my lord,that people's recollections of such events have been changed because of the way I have been portrayed in the newspapers,because he is a friend of Julie's,and he doesn't know me that well. Really,I don't know the reasons why people do this. I wish I did",he added.

In fact,Jeremy agreed with Anthony Arlidge that everyone who had been asked about him had lied"

Blood Relations Chapter 33

[Jane]

It was an opportunistic crime april1..the guns lying about White House Farm,a mentally ill sister who was trying to get her life back together but wasn't allowed the chance by Jeremy,the wills tying Jeremy to pleasing the trustees and therefore shackling him to the Farm. He wasn't up to it,and should have told his parents bluntly instead of going through the motions with his fantasies about gaining automatic respect as the country squire.

By the way,your mention of histrionic personality disorder with its symptoms of craving for attention sounds far more like Jeremy than Julie to me..

Oportunistic suggests spontaneity, Steve, which is at odds with the year long planning Julie alleges it to be. You REALLY have been scraping the bottom of the barrel tonight, Steve. One moment you have jeremy speeding up the process of becoming the country squire YOU insist he never wanted to be, then almost in the same breath you have him absconding to a wine bar in Dorset on the proceeds of crime.

As for putting HPD onto Jeremy, I will tell you now that there are people I know who have long been close to her family who are APPALLED by what she has levied against her step father.

[Steve_uk]

Oh wow April - who does this remind you of?

http://psychcentral.com/disorders/histrionic-personality-disorder-symptoms/

The "delayed gratification" part interests me. It's one of the reasons why he killed his parents,because his personality just couldn't hang on enough to wait for his inheritance.

[Caroline R]

Arlidge moved on to the evidence of the soldier James Richards,who shared digs with Julie Mugford and had given evidence about Jeremy saying that he hated his parents. Jeremy denied saying this,but agreed it was the sort of thing that young people might say when complaining about their parents. Jeremy's voice had now dropped to a whisper,and both the judge and Geoffrey Rivlin had to ask him to speak up so that the jury could hear. The judge was particularly anxious to hear more from Jeremy on the subject. Why should James Richards come to court and swear that Jeremy had said with vehemence,"I hate my fucking parents".

The judge's intervention seemed to silence Jeremy Bamber.

"He said that you said it two or three times",the judge reminded him.

"That is what he said",Jeremy agreed.

Mr. Justice Drake was not satisfied. "Can you explain to the jury why you think that man should come along and give that evidence to this court if it is not true?"

Jeremy paused. "I can only surmise,my lord,that people's recollections of such events have been changed because of the way I have been portrayed in the newspapers,because he is a friend of Julie's,and he doesn't know me that well. Really,I don't know the reasons why people do this. I wish I did",he added.

In fact,Jeremy agreed with Anthony Arlidge that everyone who had been asked about him had lied"

Blood Relations Chapter 33

Thanks Steve and to be honest, he might actually have said it - but it doesn't mean he killed anyone, simply that he was showing off or feeling resentful because he didn't get his own waay. I know I said similar things when I didn't get my own way. Why didn't he admit to it? Probably because he was on trial for killing them!!

[Caroline R]

The "delayed gratification" part interests me. It's one of the reasons why he killed his parents,because his personality just couldn't hang on enough to wait for his inheritance.

It describes Julie Steve - not Jeremy

[Steve_uk]

Thanks Steve and to be honest, he might actually have said it - but it doesn't mean he killed anyone, simply that he was showing off or feeling resentful because he didn't get his own waay. I know I said similar things when I didn't get my own way. Why didn't he admit to it? Probably because he was on trial for killing them!!

But it would lead onto other things. Why did he hate his parents? The whole dirty washing would have to come out: he was sent away to Gresham's so Nevill could boast that his son was at public school and was a cut above the hoi polloi,just at an age when Jeremy was getting used to the routine at White House. It would bring his resentment of Sheila for the way his parents were subbing her whilst expecting their pound of flesh from Jeremy on the Farm. The whole thing was a can of worms:elderly parents who had money but who couldn't enjoy it,existing symbiotically with a young man who craved attention and got it through splashing money around and asking the bar girls at Stringfellows whether they had any cocaine. Of course the drugs numbed his perception of reality as he came to depend on them,and this is yet another factor in this dreadful crime.

[Jane]

The "delayed gratification" part interests me. It's one of the reasons why he killed his parents,because his personality just couldn't hang on enough to wait for his inheritance.

I don't see any pictures of Jeremy exposing unseemly large areas of naked flesh, Steve, nor do I hear his talking about his sex life. He has never accused anyone of abusing him and other than quite understandably wanting Julie with him after the murders, it was she who was attempting to hang on to him.

[Patti]

So Steve did Julie and her friend lie when they said a police officer did not accompany them at the bank?  Its a simple question...

[Jane]

But it would lead onto other things. Why did he hate his parents? The whole dirty washing would have to come out: he was sent away to Gresham's so Nevill could boast that his son was at public school and was a cut above the hoi polloi,just at an age when Jeremy was getting used to the routine at White House. It would bring his resentment of Sheila for the way his parents were subbing her whilst expecting their pound of flesh from Jeremy on the Farm. The whole thing was a can of worms:elderly parents who had money but who couldn't enjoy it,existing symbiotically with a young man who craved attention and got it through splashing money around and asking the bar girls at Stringfellows whether they had any cocaine. Of course the drugs numbed his perception of reality as he came to depend on them,and this is yet another factor in this dreadful crime.

WHAT on earth are you talking about. The Bambers weren't nouveau riche. It was/is de rigueur for people in their position to send their children to public school. Most in this area go to Felsted. There is NOTHING to suggest that Jeremy craved attention. He was doing no more than other young men of his class. The same could not be said of Sheila who managed to get herself expelled, THAT could be said as attention seeking. I would also like to point out that despite being a few years older than many parents, Nevill and June weren't elderly. Neither were they elderly when they died.

[tyler]

Hi Steve. I cannot understand your reasoning that Jeremy killed his family for the inheritance and the fact that he didn't want to be tied to the farm.  Jeremy admitted he had seen the wills and therefore knew that the inheritance would tie him to the farm,so what would he have solved by  murdering his family?

[Steve_uk]

So Steve did Julie and her friend lie when they said a police officer did not accompany them at the bank?  Its a simple question...

I thought he didn't go into the bank with them if he drove them there. I don't know.