Alan George Dovey Statement - 20/03/2002

[maggie]

Reminds me of the teddy bear stabbing. Did you ask Julie why she stabbed the teddy bear Brett gave to her as a gift? Imagine that, stabbing a cute little teddy bear!

Jealousy, I should think Alias.
I believe Julie was unable to allow Jeremy to grieve the way he needed to.  She being selfish and immature demanded he grieved with her while he found it much easier and less demanding to spend time with Brett as he tried to sort his head out. 
Brett was possibly understanding and undemanding whereas Julie wanted chats and cuddles which Jeremy couldn't deal with so she became angry and resentful. 
Oh dear, that is NOT the way to a mans heart.

[Caroline R]

Jealousy, I should think Alias.
I believe Julie was unable to allow Jeremy to grieve the way he needed to.  She being selfish and immature demanded he grieved with her while he found it much easier and less demanding to spend time with Brett as he tried to sort his head out. 
Brett was possibly understanding and undemanding whereas Julie wanted chats and cuddles which Jeremy couldn't deal with so she became angry and resentful. 
Oh dear, that is NOT the way to a mans heart.

One step away from the bunny and a pan of hot water if you ask me!! 

[Steve_uk]

Think he had a few difficult years around the age of 17/18. well he's not alone in that, most teenagers do suffer quite a lot, argue with their parents and generally aren't quite sure who they are. 

Should think Jeremy's time away from the family travelling and having independent experiences helped him to get things back into place which was why he settled down when he eventually returned and was much more involved with the farm.

There's nothing 'strange' about it Steve, it's natural development and maturing. 

But he didn't settle at the Farm;he worked at Little Chef. Might I recommend a book by James Mc Neish:"The Mask of Sanity". On one of the pages is an angelic-looking boy sitting at the dinner table with friends in Papua New Guinea. He looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly. That boy is David Bain..

[Jane]

But he didn't settle at the Farm;he worked at Little Chef. Might I recommend a book by James Mc Neish:"The Mask of Sanity". On one of the pages is an angelic-looking boy sitting at the dinner table with friends in Papua New Guinea. He looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly. That boy is David Bain..

So are we to believe that everyone who works at a Little Chef is both incapable of "settling down" and a potential murderer. And what WOULD you have done without David Bain to keep relating back to.

[Caroline R]

But he didn't settle at the Farm;he worked at Little Chef. Might I recommend a book by James Mc Neish:"The Mask of Sanity". On one of the pages is an angelic-looking boy sitting at the dinner table with friends in Papua New Guinea. He looks like he wouldn't hurt a fly. That boy is David Bain..

Who won an appeal!!

[Steve_uk]

No idea who this is but if he didn't give any evidence, he obviously wasn't seen as an important witness.

He did give evidence,and this ties in with James McNeish's theory:mass murderers often hide their true feelings because to admit to any disharmony would represent a chink in their armour and all invective would come spilling out. The two cases are very similar in that regard.(Blood Relations Chapter 33).

[Alias]

Jealousy, I should think Alias.
I believe Julie was unable to allow Jeremy to grieve the way he needed to.  She being selfish and immature demanded he grieved with her while he found it much easier and less demanding to spend time with Brett as he tried to sort his head out. 
Brett was possibly understanding and undemanding whereas Julie wanted chats and cuddles which Jeremy couldn't deal with so she became angry and resentful. 
Oh dear, that is NOT the way to a mans heart.

Seems to me that she was very unstable - maybe even histrionic. Trying to smother Jeremy and mock-killing Brett by stabbing the teddy bear he gave to her. Strong negative feelings in that girl. NN mentioned something about her step father abusing her and a rape. I do feel bad for her if it is true, she should have seen a psychologist. It could also have been made up stories for attention if she did have Histrionic Personality Disorder.

[Steve_uk]

Who won an appeal!!

It was a retrial away from that house of horrors in Dunedin,and evidence which might have swayed the jury was ruled inadmissible.

[Steve_uk]

So are we to believe that everyone who works at a Little Chef is both incapable of "settling down" and a potential murderer. And what WOULD you have done without David Bain to keep relating back to.

But it's symbolic of his wanting to keep his independence and the lack of any bonding with his parents. Why he was pressured to return to the Farm is one of the great tragedies of this case.

[Jane]

Seems to me that she was very unstable - maybe even histrionic. Trying to smother Jeremy and mock-killing Brett by stabbing the teddy bear he gave to her. Strong negative feelings in that girl. NN mentioned something about her step father abusing her and a rape. I do feel bad for her if it is true, she should have seen a psychologist. It could also have been made up stories for attention if she did have Histrionic Personality Disorder.

ALIAS!!!! I don't believe this. I've just posted Caroline that she should take a look at Histrionic Personality Disorder. A picture seems to be forming, doesn't it.

[Jane]

But it's symbolic of his wanting to keep his independence and the lack of any bonding with his parents. Why he was pressured to return to the Farm is one of the great tragedies of this case.

So are you now saying that all children who have independence removed from them haven't bonded with parents /are potential murderers? I don't know which section of society you teach, but at Jeremy's level there was nothing out of the ordinaryabout ANY of the things he did.

[Caroline R]

It was a retrial away from that house of horrors in Dunedin,and evidence which might have swayed the jury was ruled inadmissible.

Which he WON!!

[Alias]

ALIAS!!!! I don't believe this. I've just posted Caroline that she should take a look at Histrionic Personality Disorder. A picture seems to be forming, doesn't it.

That is something of a coincidence - or maybe not! Her behaviour was not that of an average girl her age, that is for sure! Something was wrong with her.

[maggie]

One step away from the bunny and a pan of hot water if you ask me!! 

could have been written for her Caroline 

[Caroline R]

He did give evidence,and this ties in with James McNeish's theory:mass murderers often hide their true feelings because to admit to any disharmony would represent a chink in their armour and all invective would come spilling out. The two cases are very similar in that regard.(Blood Relations Chapter 33).

Steve, if you mention someone it would be helpful to actually write what they are supposed to have said, otherwise it's just a random name. I haven't hear of the guy you mentioned (the one heading for the military) so what did he say?