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The COA says they are burns.

The COA will be repeating evidence presented at trial.

Experts in 1985 would be able to tell the difference between burn marks & bruises or abrasions.

Bamber's legal team & hired experts believed they were burn marks in 2012. It was the basis of the CCRC application.

Phillip Boyce is currently saying they are burn marks. Caused by Nevill falling sideways onto the aga.

Your counter source is an expert saying they are from 'recent prodding'. But you did not say what cold object could inflict such marks from 'prodding'.

You have suggested they were old war wounds. But have not suggested what wounds would still be visible 40 years later.

Both supporters & guilters agree they are burn marks.

Nevill was in the ideal position to inflict the burn marks.

There was an available aga.

Bamber had time to inflict the burn marks. Sheila less so.

Experts say the marks match marks which would come from a rifle nozzle. There were several rifles at WHF.

Video from 2012 says they are burns. With a demonstration.

There would be no evidence on the rifle nozzle it had been heated. Thread recently created.

A defence expert agrees the marks are from prodding.
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Re: Confirmation for Cambridgecutie that Nevill's back marks are burns.
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2022, 12:00:PM »
Hopefully Cambridgecutie now agrees they are burn marks. Disagreeing this is pointless.

The burn marks do not help the guilters or supporters to a great degree.

Guilters say Bamber lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle to burn his back & fire 4 head shots.

Supporters say Nevill fell sideways onto the aga with his pyjama top off & the police lifted Nevill onto the coal scuttle.
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Re: Confirmation for Cambridgecutie that Nevill's back marks are burns.
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2022, 03:14:PM »
Hopefully Cambridgecutie now agrees they are burn marks. Disagreeing this is pointless.

She won't remember any of it. Hence why she keeps asking for the same documentation over and over again.

https://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/arh27-2/186-196.htm
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Offline Adam

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The COA says they are burns.

The COA will be repeating evidence presented at trial.

Experts in 1985 would be able to tell the difference between burn marks & bruises or abrasions.

Bamber's legal team & hired experts believed they were burn marks in 2012. It was the basis of the CCRC application.

Phillip Boyce is currently saying they are burn marks. Caused by Nevill falling sideways onto the aga.

Your counter source is an expert saying they are from 'recent prodding'. But you did not say what cold object could inflict such marks from 'prodding'.

You have suggested they were old war wounds. But have not suggested what wounds would still be visible 40 years later.

Both supporters & guilters agree they are burn marks.

Nevill was in the ideal position to inflict the burn marks.

There was an available aga.

Bamber had time to inflict the burn marks. Sheila less so.

Experts say the marks match marks which would come from a rifle nozzle. There were several rifles at WHF.

Over to Cambridge.
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The COA says they are burns.

The CoA are not experts in burns.

The COA will be repeating evidence presented at trial.

The CoA are not experts.  There was no conclusive evidence at trial the marks were burns.

Experts in 1985 would be able to tell the difference between burn marks & bruises or abrasions.

The only experts at trial qualified to offer up opinion in this area were Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight.  The former was unsure and the latter was adamant they were not burns.

Bamber's legal team & hired experts believed they were burn marks in 2012. It was the basis of the CCRC application.

The only expert qualified to give opinion in this area, Dr Caruso, said further testing was required ie his opinion was inconclusive.

Phillip Boyce is currently saying they are burn marks. Caused by Nevill falling sideways onto the aga.

Philip Boyce is a ballistics expert and not qualified to give opinion.

Your counter source is an expert saying they are from 'recent prodding'. But you did not say what cold object could inflict such marks from 'prodding'.

Probably because he doesn't know.  Much the same way Dr Vanezis was only able to confirm Nevill's non gunshot wounds were caused by a "blunt instrument".

You have suggested they were old war wounds. But have not suggested what wounds would still be visible 40 years later.

I simply put it forward as a possibility.

Both supporters & guilters agree they are burn marks.

So what?  I don't think they were burns and neither did the pathologist for the defence.

Nevill was in the ideal position to inflict the burn marks.

So were the other victims.

There was an available aga.

So what?  Yes the Aga is capable of generating heat so was a kettle of boiling water and a lit match.

Bamber had time to inflict the burn marks. Sheila less so.

So what?  Doesn't mean Bamber/Sheila inlicted burn marks on Nevill.

Experts say the marks match marks which would come from a rifle nozzle. There were several rifles at WHF.

These so-called experts and not qualified in this area. 

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Better late than never. After hiding from this thread for 10 weeks.

You are going to fire fight each point.

Please give a suggestion of what else they could be. The 40 year old war wounds suggestion has been dismissed.
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Better late than never. After hiding from this thread for 10 weeks.

You are going to fire fight each point.

Please give a suggestion of what else they could be. The 40 year old war wounds suggestion has been dismissed.

If Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight were unable to conclude what they were how would I know?

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If Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight were unable to conclude what they were how would I know?

Do you partially agree with Bamber & the CT that they could be burns?
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If Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight were unable to conclude what they were how would I know?

Considering you need a professor and a doctor to confirm to you when skin has been broken, the answer to your question is 'I don't know' 😏

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Considering you need a professor and a doctor to confirm to you when skin has been broken, the answer to your question is 'I don't know' 😏

If I burnt myself & went to a doctor, they wouldn't need me to say anything.

Strange that in 1985 one expert said the marks were caused by prodding but refused to say what cold object could cause them.
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Re: Confirmation for Cambridgecutie that Nevill's back marks are burns.
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2023, 06:59:PM »
Do you partially agree with Bamber & the CT that they could be burns?

No I do not believe they were burns as I've no reason to doubt Prof Knight. 

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Re: Confirmation for Cambridgecutie that Nevill's back marks are burns.
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2023, 07:06:PM »
If Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight were unable to conclude what they were how would I know?
I think it would be useful to look behind the equivocation from Knight and PV. The claim at the time was that JB had possibly tortured NB with the end of the rifle. With no evidence at that time to contest this assertion if knight (for the defence) said they were burns it would make JB look cruel and vindictive.
Similarly PV who was up to his neck in the coverup said they were burns most likely from a rifle, when all the time he knew they were burns from the AGA. It would look very bad for him if the truth ever emerged that they were burns from the AGA. So he stays neutral and equivocates.

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Re: Confirmation for Cambridgecutie that Nevill's back marks are burns.
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2023, 07:06:PM »
No I do not believe they were burns as I've no reason to doubt Prof Knight.

What cold object did Prof Knight suggest could cause marks that were not burns, but also not bruises?
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Re: Confirmation for Cambridgecutie that Nevill's back marks are burns.
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2023, 07:08:PM »
I think it would be useful to look behind the equivocation from Knight and PV. The claim at the time was that JB had possibly tortured NB with the end of the rifle. With no evidence at that time to contest this assertion if knight (for the defence) said they were burns it would make JB look cruel and vindictive.
Similarly PV who was up to his neck in the coverup said they were burns most likely from a rifle, when all the time he knew they were burns from the AGA. It would look very bad for him if the truth ever emerged that they were burns from the AGA. So he stays neutral and equivocates.

Wrong as usual.  If you want to make the sort of claims above you need to upload their trial testimony.

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Re: Confirmation for Cambridgecutie that Nevill's back marks are burns.
« Reply #14 on: January 27, 2023, 07:08:PM »
If Prof Knight was working for the defence, then he is unlikely to agree they were burns.
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