Official site - Sheila scenario.

[Adam]

https://www.jeremy-bamber.co.uk/how-and-why-did-sheila-do-it

Not really a scenario. More arguing against the zero forensic evidence on Sheila.

It says Sheila beat Nevill after he had been shot 4 or 8 times. No explanation on why Sheila was injury free after Nevill fought back after his first 4 shots.

No explanation on why a fully fit Nevill was able to ring Bamber & Chelmsford police but did not reclaim his rifle. Instead letting himself get shot twice in the face upstairs from inches away. Or why June & the twins remained sleeping. Surely Sheila was noisey.   

It then says a fully clothed, motivated & armed Bamber would have defence wounds from Sheila. Although Sheila was very weak, uncordinated and drowsy.

I don't agree Sheila was 8.5 stone. Going by the photos, 7 stone.

[Rob_]

This is interesting Adam thought it might help with your new scenario:

Fear is a powerful motivator (thankfully so is love). Speaking from personal experience my mind has been pushed to dangerous spheres of thought. It’s taken I believe 5 male police officers to subdue me during a mental health episode. Another time my medications were changed triggering an episode. My partner and his sister told the police officer it would be smart to remove my boots. He declined to act on the advice. I remember having the thought that I had sacrificed my self for my family. I felt as though I had been left in the back of a cop car for all of eternity. The concept triggered a response like someone who wakes up in a coffin would experience. I kicked at the top corner of the door and bent it outward. They had to call a another car to take me. Yet another time I was in the hospital they wouldn’t release info to my partner. Then turned around to call him asking “what can you tell us about her, she is so strong”? I’ve been strong physically since I was a child. It just becomes amplified when pushed to emotional extremes.

[ILB]

Nothing explains a Jeremy bamber or Shelia caffell scenario.

Nobody had CCTV that night

There is only one man on this planet who knows if his guilty or innocent of this crime. And he sits in a category A prison cell as I type this

[Adam]

Nothing explains a Jeremy bamber or Shelia caffell scenario.

Nobody had CCTV that night

There is only one man on this planet who knows if his guilty or innocent of this crime. And he sits in a category A prison cell as I type this

The Bamber scenario follows the evidence. Which is the only way a scenario can be created. No 'maybe's'.

Agree there was no CCTV inside or near WHF or Goldhanger.

[ILB]

The Bamber scenario follows the evidence. Which is the only way a scenario can be created. No 'maybe's'.

Agree there was no CCTV inside or near WHF or Goldhanger.

Your scenario is an estimate

Deal with it.

[Adam]

Your scenario is an estimate

Deal with it.

The only thing that could be moved was order of killings.

Although everyone will agree Sheila was shot last & Nevill/June shot simultanously.

My scenario has the twins being shot first. Once each. As Julie's WS says this. But possible they stayed sleeping & were shot later.

[ILB]

The only thing that could be moved was order of killings.

Although everyone will agree Sheila was shot last & Nevill/June shot simultanously.

My scenario has the twins being shot first. Once each. As Julie's WS says this. But possible they stayed sleeping & were shot later.

I don't believe the twins would have stayed sleeping through the commotion

[Adam]

I don't believe the twins would have stayed sleeping through the commotion

I disagree with that. Nevill & June were silenced in the 9 shot bedroom salvo. The kitchen fight was downstairs.

However my scenario has the twins shot first. Once each. As Julie said in her WS.

[ILB]

I disagree with that. Nevill & June were silenced in the 9 shot bedroom salvo. The kitchen fight was downstairs.

However my scenario has the twins shot first. Once each. As Julie said in her WS.

He didn't have to talk. The commotion would have caused such a ruckus. You know this.

Do you believe nevill gracefully walked out of the bedroom or charged downstairs

[ILB]

Believe nevill may have been awake or at least stirring. Whether woken by Bambers presence or not talking a gulity bamber scenario. Maybe in bed of course but partly awake

[Adam]

He didn't have to talk. The commotion would have caused such a ruckus. You know this.

Do you believe nevill gracefully walked out of the bedroom or charged downstairs

The kitchen fight was downstairs in a big house. Brutal but short.
Sheila & the twins were sleeping upstairs behind closed doors. Sheila very drowsy. So doubtful anyone woke.

I don't believe Nevill walked gracefully downstairs after Bamber opened fire on him.

Agree Nevill started waking as June was being shot in bed. Resulting in him avoiding 4 upstairs face shots.

[ILB]

The kitchen fight was downstairs in a big house. Brutal but short.
Sheila & the twins were sleeping upstairs behind closed doors. Sheila very drowsy. So doubtful anyone woke.

I don't believe Nevill walked gracefully downstairs after Bamber opened fire on him.

Agree Nevill started waking as June was being shot in bed. Resulting in him avoiding 4 upstairs face shots.

But why shoot a diminutive 61 year old woman first.

Nevill was the biggest threat

[ILB]

The kitchen fight was downstairs in a big house. Brutal but short.
Sheila & the twins were sleeping upstairs behind closed doors. Sheila very drowsy. So doubtful anyone woke.

I don't believe Nevill walked gracefully downstairs after Bamber opened fire on him.

Agree Nevill started waking as June was being shot in bed. Resulting in him avoiding 4 upstairs face shots.

It was the height of the summer. Theres every chance the doors may have been open due to the heat. That's something I do. Can't speak for everyone of course

[Adam]

But why shoot a diminutive 61 year old woman first.

Nevill was the biggest threat

Over confidence.

A mistake.

He was standing on June's side of the bed.

Shooting June would only take a few seconds.

June's shots were silent with silencer attached.

Over estimate of rifle power.

A combination of all the above.

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Take your pick.

[Adam]

It was the height of the summer. Theres every chance the doors may have been open due to the heat. That's something I do. Can't speak for everyone of course

Bamber would soon change that. Prior to commencement.